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Old 07-22-2011, 09:04 AM
 
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But DREAM Act children are continuing the crimes of their parents, got it...
Some if not many are working jobs illegally with fake documents. So yes, the lawbreaking continues starting with their parent's initial lawbreaking.

 
Old 07-22-2011, 09:07 AM
 
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The prescription drug problem is just as bad. The weak, inferior, american drug addict needs to be deported to mexico along with the scumbag crime committing illegals.

Let the hard working, non drug using, illegals take the place of the worthless drug addict americans.

it would harvest much more tax revenue and cost less to pay for these loser american drug addicts who steal from hard working people to support their habit.
Most Americans are not drug addicts and the user and pusher are equally guilty. Yeah, let's replace a drug addict American with an immigration lawbreaker, that makes sense. How about we replace both with a hard working non-drug using American who is unemployed?
 
Old 07-22-2011, 09:19 AM
 
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The prescription drug problem is just as bad. The weak, inferior, american drug addict needs to be deported to mexico along with the scumbag crime committing illegals.

Let the hard working, non drug using, illegals take the place of the worthless drug addict americans.

it would harvest much more tax revenue and cost less to pay for these loser american drug addicts who steal from hard working people to support their habit.
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Most Americans are not drug addicts and the user and pusher are equally guilty. Yeah, let's replace a drug addict American with an immigration lawbreaker, that makes sense. How about we replace both with a hard working non-drug using American who is unemployed?
I like chicagonuts idea better.

If we need more immigrants, we can let more in who PLAY BY THE RULES. NO amnesty for illegal aliens.
 
Old 07-22-2011, 07:53 PM
 
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The drug addicts are victims more than anything. And notice, it's not the drug addicts of the USA sawing off each others' heads and kidnapping and carjacking.

If there was no demand for drugs in the US..they wouldnt be sawing heads....The only reason they fight is over the $$$$ drugs provide them in United States sales.

The innocent bystander and taxpayer are the victims in all this.

This entire country needs a major major overhaul. The idea that bigger is better is not always the case. Quality of Life gets my vote over rapid expansion to benefit the few. Education, Good Parenting (meaning not working 3 jobs and having way more kids than one can afford), and both self esteem & Civic pride is a good start to the path of non-drug use.
 
Old 07-22-2011, 08:38 PM
 
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If there was no demand for drugs in the US..they wouldnt be sawing heads....The only reason they fight is over the $$$$ drugs provide them in United States sales.

The innocent bystander and taxpayer are the victims in all this.

This entire country needs a major major overhaul. The idea that bigger is better is not always the case. Quality of Life gets my vote over rapid expansion to benefit the few. Education, Good Parenting (meaning not working 3 jobs and having way more kids than one can afford), and both self esteem & Civic pride is a good start to the path of non-drug use.
So their greed is getting the best of them, they love the money too much.

Not that there isn't more than enough money in it for all - but that's not how they operate, sharing isn't in their vocabulary.

If the drug cartels are killing each other, it's no big loss, they're scum of the earth and anyhow your pro-drug side really doesn't have a solution for what you would do with them if you did legalize drugs.

According to some of the pro-drug types, the cartels would no longer be able to traffic drugs over the border to fatten their bank accounts, so then what? That would lead more of them to carjacking and kidnapping for ransom and extortion which they already do.

Then what? Legalize all those other crimes also?
 
Old 07-22-2011, 08:56 PM
 
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If the drug cartels are killing each other, it's no big loss, they're scum of the earth and anyhow your pro-drug side really doesn't have a solution for what you would do with them if you did legalize drugs.

According to some of the pro-drug types, the cartels would no longer be able to traffic drugs over the border to fatten their bank accounts, so then what? That would lead more of them to carjacking and kidnapping for ransom and extortion which they already do.

Then what? Legalize all those other crimes also?

LOL. So we obviously shouldn't have ended prohibition because the moonshine runners just went on to commit other crimes. Your position is to keep drugs illegal because legalizing them will lead cartel members to commit other crime? wow.
 
Old 07-22-2011, 09:41 PM
 
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LOL. So we obviously shouldn't have ended prohibition because the moonshine runners just went on to commit other crimes. Your position is to keep drugs illegal because legalizing them will lead cartel members to commit other crime? wow.
How about legalizing guns and other weapons in Mexico since Mexico is where the problems are taking place? That makes more sense because in the USA, drugs are illegals while guns are legal and we aren't the ones with the problem. Mexico has legal drugs and illegal guns - they have the problem.
 
Old 07-22-2011, 09:59 PM
 
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So their greed is getting the best of them, they love the money too much.

Not that there isn't more than enough money in it for all - but that's not how they operate, sharing isn't in their vocabulary.

If the drug cartels are killing each other, it's no big loss, they're scum of the earth and anyhow your pro-drug side really doesn't have a solution for what you would do with them if you did legalize drugs.

According to some of the pro-drug types, the cartels would no longer be able to traffic drugs over the border to fatten their bank accounts, so then what? That would lead more of them to carjacking and kidnapping for ransom and extortion which they already do.

Then what? Legalize all those other crimes also?
I am not pro drug use. I am anti-drug war. Its a waste of time and money.

Legalize Drugs...Manufacture and Distribute them in the U.S. Quality will increase....prices will decrease...The taboo will be gone and natural selection will help weed out the fools who abuse them.

Cartels get the majority of their money from Drugs not carjackings...
 
Old 07-22-2011, 10:17 PM
 
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How about legalizing guns and other weapons in Mexico since Mexico is where the problems are taking place? That makes more sense because in the USA, drugs are illegals while guns are legal and we aren't the ones with the problem. Mexico has legal drugs and illegal guns - they have the problem.
Mexico has a problem because drugs are illegal in US which drives up prices and foments lawlessness because the lack of competition places high premiums on being the provider and a lack of legal adjudication means violent methods become more prevalent.

Legalizing guns in Mexico may help more in defense and in institutionalizing a civilian resistance to lawlessness, but the basic problems still exist.
 
Old 07-23-2011, 03:04 AM
 
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Mexico has a problem because drugs are illegal in US which drives up prices and foments lawlessness because the lack of competition places high premiums on being the provider and a lack of legal adjudication means violent methods become more prevalent.

Legalizing guns in Mexico may help more in defense and in institutionalizing a civilian resistance to lawlessness, but the basic problems still exist.
Mexico has a problem because too many of it's officials became greedy for the drug money and their corruption got out of control. The USA is also in danger because of this corruption and greed in our officials.

You still have not suggested what you would do with these extremely greedy cartels who are not simply going to go away when you try to take away their drug trafficking money. They will still do anything at all for money. And they are not going to give up easily.

Sure you could have meth manufactured in the USA, and our farms turned over to pot production and have crack cocaine along with meth sold alongside beer and wine in every convenience store and someone else getting rich off addicts who will kill their own mothers for the money to buy drugs, but that doesn't fix the problems in Mexico. The cartels would have to turn to more carjacking and more extortion and more kidnapping for ransom to make up for the loss of profit from drugs.
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