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Old 07-23-2011, 02:50 AM
 
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Sounds like a good reason to end the war on (some) drugs.
I actually agree with you. The crime may turn to Washington though with drug cartels trying to kill politicians for killing their buzz

 
Old 07-23-2011, 02:53 AM
 
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Mexico has a problem because too many of it's officials became greedy for the drug money and their corruption got out of control. The USA is also in danger because of this corruption and greed in our officials.

You still have not suggested what you would do with these extremely greedy cartels who are not simply going to go away when you try to take away their drug trafficking money. They will still do anything at all for money. And they are not going to give up easily.

Sure you could have meth manufactured in the USA, and our farms turned over to pot production and have crack cocaine along with meth sold alongside beer and wine in every convenience store and someone else getting rich off addicts who will kill their own mothers for the money to buy drugs, but that doesn't fix the problems in Mexico. The cartels would have to turn to more carjacking and more extortion and more kidnapping for ransom to make up for the loss of profit from drugs.
Hmmm- yeah I guess more random kidnapping, extortion would likely increase to offset loss of drug profits. Now I'm not sure where I stand on the war on drugs. I do know we need much better border security- like bring our troops home from The Middle East and put them on the border. Crush drug cartels souls IMO
 
Old 07-23-2011, 09:26 AM
 
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Hmmm- yeah I guess more random kidnapping, extortion would likely increase to offset loss of drug profits. Now I'm not sure where I stand on the war on drugs. I do know we need much better border security- like bring our troops home from The Middle East and put them on the border. Crush drug cartels souls IMO
Well to me the issue of drug legalization is an entirely different issue. It's not going to end cartel greed in and of itself, they would still be there, they would still kill for the money. In fact you would have to up border enforcement if Americans got into drug production because the cartels are very well known for what they do with those who dare to compete with them.

As it stands now, if some guy in Idaho starts up a meth lab and competes with the Sinaloa cartel, they'll come and cut his head off. Simply legalizing drugs doesn't stop the cartels in any way.

In fact the American meth lab operator would have to be protected from the Mexican cartels, but the Mexican cartels will just turn to other ways to keep getting rich, and they don't care how they get rich, they don't care how many are killed. All they care about is big easy money. Murder of competitors is just a business plan.
 
Old 07-23-2011, 09:57 AM
 
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Well to me the issue of drug legalization is an entirely different issue. It's not going to end cartel greed in and of itself, they would still be there, they would still kill for the money. In fact you would have to up border enforcement if Americans got into drug production because the cartels are very well known for what they do with those who dare to compete with them.

As it stands now, if some guy in Idaho starts up a meth lab and competes with the Sinaloa cartel, they'll come and cut his head off. Simply legalizing drugs doesn't stop the cartels in any way.

In fact the American meth lab operator would have to be protected from the Mexican cartels, but the Mexican cartels will just turn to other ways to keep getting rich, and they don't care how they get rich, they don't care how many are killed. All they care about is big easy money. Murder of competitors is just a business plan.
This is true. If we legalized drugs in the U.S., and allowed them to be manufactured and distributed by U.S. citizens, the Mexican drug cartels would go ballistic, and their barbarism would only intensify. They are subhuman scum. Otherwise, they could not commit such atrocities as mutilations, decapitations, bombings, and the senseless murders of innocent children. There is no way they would not retaliate from losing the lucrative U.S. drug market. No way.
 
Old 07-23-2011, 10:30 AM
 
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This is true. If we legalized drugs in the U.S., and allowed them to be manufactured and distributed by U.S. citizens, the Mexican drug cartels would go ballistic, and their barbarism would only intensify. They are subhuman scum. Otherwise, they could not commit such atrocities as mutilations, decapitations, bombings, and the senseless murders of innocent children. There is no way they would not retaliate from losing the lucrative U.S. drug market. No way.
Yes, the only way to control and eventually defeat them is to keep their products illegal since they so gladly kill any competition or anyone at all who gets in their way. You can't just legalize everything they do and hope they'll just go away and find something else to do.

Mexico cartel issues booklets for proper conduct - El Paso Times

The Knights Templar (La Familia Cartel) have criticized federal police for failing to protect Michoacan against incursions by the ultra-violent Zetas.



These guys are already getting themselves established in the USA, preparing for war with the Zetas and Juarez cartels also already established in the USA but ahead of them.

Our government had better get a handle on this now. Or we're headed to become just like Juarez.

This in El Paso -- which is already filled with members of the Juarez cartel that have recently fled Juarez:

Man linked to big drug operation arrested at Taco Cabana restaurant - El Paso Times

A man arrested at gunpoint inside a Taco Cabana restaurant last week is allegedly a member of a large drug operation, a federal court indictment stated.
 
Old 07-23-2011, 11:59 AM
 
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These savages are a direct threat to the national security of the United States of America. We cannot baby these people and coddle them and hope they go away because it's not going to happen like that. Another thing many of you tend to forget is that the cartels have a monopoly on smuggling illegal immigrants as well, they make the illegals carry backpacks full of drugs as they sneak them across the border. As Benicar said, if we legalize drugs then be prepared to see violence on the scale that would make the Prohibition wars look like a kindergarten class field trip in comparison. They would not hesitate wipe out entire neighborhoods, execute an entire police department, or bribe (threaten) the highest ranking government officials if they had to. Too many of you seem to think that Los Zetas are just like the kids dealing drugs on the corner ... trust me, they arent.
 
Old 07-23-2011, 12:34 PM
 
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These savages are a direct threat to the national security of the United States of America. We cannot baby these people and coddle them and hope they go away because it's not going to happen like that. Another thing many of you tend to forget is that the cartels have a monopoly on smuggling illegal immigrants as well, they make the illegals carry backpacks full of drugs as they sneak them across the border. As Benicar said, if we legalize drugs then be prepared to see violence on the scale that would make the Prohibition wars look like a kindergarten class field trip in comparison. They would not hesitate wipe out entire neighborhoods, execute an entire police department, or bribe (threaten) the highest ranking government officials if they had to. Too many of you seem to think that Los Zetas are just like the kids dealing drugs on the corner ... trust me, they arent.
Unfortunately, our government will not proactively address this issue. They will wait until it’s too late, when our streets are flowing with blood, and heads and other body parts are hanging from bridges. As you said, the cartels are savages.
 
Old 07-23-2011, 12:58 PM
 
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Unfortunately, our government will not proactively address this issue. They will wait until itís too late, when our streets are flowing with blood, and heads and other body parts are hanging from bridges. As you said, the cartels are savages.
Yes lol, if there's one thing I know about our government, it's that it has a long history of being soft on drug dealers.
 
Old 07-23-2011, 01:01 PM
 
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This is true. If we legalized drugs in the U.S., and allowed them to be manufactured and distributed by U.S. citizens, the Mexican drug cartels would go ballistic, and their barbarism would only intensify. They are subhuman scum. Otherwise, they could not commit such atrocities as mutilations, decapitations, bombings, and the senseless murders of innocent children. There is no way they would not retaliate from losing the lucrative U.S. drug market. No way.
You think that the cartels would attack American interests in order to get us to make drugs illegal again if they were legalized?

I mean, this is a full on admission of the fundamental point that the cartels would no longer be profitable operations if drugs were legal.
 
Old 07-23-2011, 01:46 PM
 
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Unfortunately, our government will not proactively address this issue. They will wait until itís too late, when our streets are flowing with blood, and heads and other body parts are hanging from bridges. As you said, the cartels are savages.
This just a few feet from the US border:

Attack Outside US Consulate in Juarez | KTSM News Channel 9

Threats against the U.S. consulate in Juarez are no longer just threats, they're real.

Three people are dead, and another injured, after an attack took place outside the consulate this evening. All of the victims were in a car in front of the consulate, when gunmen opened fire.
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