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Old 07-23-2011, 08:39 AM
 
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We are not discussing visa quotas, which, by the way, is a LEGAL immigration issue. We are discussing bogus reporting by the government regarding illegal immigration. Furthermore, work visas are intended to assist employers who “claim” they are unable to find enough workers in this country to fill specific positions. I say claim, because frequently that is just a ruse to not hire a qualified citizen or legal resident due to their preference for cheap labor.

But, to answer your off-topic question, no, businesses should not have the right to recruit foreign labor, cheap or otherwise, while we have a glut of qualified, and unemployed workers. Or, do you not realize we have record unemployment?

Regardless, please do not hijack this thread. If you want to discuss our quota system, start a thread. If you have nothing to contribute to this topic, please move along.




No, this is deflection and thread derailment.

BTW, welcome back.
Um, that's definitely not a derailment. You think one type of government estimate is A-OK, but you then dismiss all these other estimates off hand without so much an explanation as to why one might be valid while the others aren't.

 
Old 07-23-2011, 09:19 AM
 
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Um, that's definitely not a derailment. You think one type of government estimate is A-OK, but you then dismiss all these other estimates off hand without so much an explanation as to why one might be valid while the others aren't.
Another thread prompted me to assess the reporting by the federal government. This thread is based on that assessment. Now, do you want to discuss this topic, or not?
 
Old 07-23-2011, 10:59 AM
 
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Exactly! Clearly, they maintain zero data on illegal immigration, by design. Their greedy corporate masters have instructed them to downplay this scourge, and the naive fall for it hook, line, and sinker. Of course, as long as the "data" supports their stance on illegal immigration, pro-illegals don’t care if the reports are bogus.

Funny, the government employs accountants to track other expenditures, but for obvious reasons, they don’t want taxpayers to know the true fiscal magnitude of this illegal invasion. As taxpayers, we have a right to an accurate accounting of the costs incurred to support people who are in our country illegally. But, the government would then have to admit that illegal immigration is a major factor contributing to our budget deficits. And, we certainly can’t have that.
It's all part of their globalist sell-out of the American people.

Massive illegal immigration was actually all part of the NAFTA deal, they knew then that there would be many millions showing up but in order to convince Mexico that it needed Walmarts moving in, they agreed to this.

Carlos Salinas de Gortari at one point in the pre-NAFTA talks came out and said they needed to figure out what to do with 25 million out-of-work campesinos.......well we know what they figured out.
 
Old 07-23-2011, 11:04 AM
 
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It's all part of their globalist sell-out of the American people.

Massive illegal immigration was actually all part of the NAFTA deal, they knew then that there would be many millions showing up but in order to convince Mexico that it needed Walmarts moving in, they agreed to this.

Carlos Salinas de Gortari at one point in the pre-NAFTA talks came out and said they needed to figure out what to do with 25 million out-of-work campesinos.......well we know what they figured out.
We certainly do.
 
Old 07-23-2011, 11:06 AM
 
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We certainly do.
And these bogus reports originate from the same government that promised that the big amnesty give-away of 1986 was just going to be a one-time thing and THEN they would start to enforce the borders and immigration laws.

Who can believe this government?
 
Old 07-23-2011, 11:13 AM
 
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Another thread prompted me to assess the reporting by the federal government. This thread is based on that assessment. Now, do you want to discuss this topic, or not?
Noting a potential discrepancy in your assessment vs previous statements is certainly relevant to this topic.
 
Old 07-23-2011, 11:43 AM
 
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Noting a potential discrepancy in your assessment vs previous statements is certainly relevant to this topic.
As I previously stated, another thread (Immigration 101) prompted me to assess the reporting by the federal government. Do you have a problem with my decision to examine this issue? Or, is your problem the results?
 
Old 07-23-2011, 11:47 AM
 
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You're not even addressing the methods they use. You're just restating over and over again: "They don't specifically ask if they are an illegal immigrant so there is no way a statistician can estimate illegals!" They do have methods of estimating illegals still.

For instance:

Please explain the errors in PEW's methodology in this study:

http://pewhispanic.org/files/reports/126.pdf
 
Old 07-23-2011, 12:04 PM
 
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You're not even addressing the methods they use. You're just restating over and over again: "They don't specifically ask if they are an illegal immigrant so there is no way a statistician can estimate illegals!" They do have methods of estimating illegals still.

For instance:

Please explain the errors in PEW's methodology in this study:

http://pewhispanic.org/files/reports/126.pdf
According to Pew, their estimates are based on official government data. Since there is no official government data, only figures pulled from the sky, their reports are as useless as their source.

Again, how can the government estimate the number of illegal aliens in this country without having a method by which to identify them? They certainly can’t use the data from the Census Bureau, given that their questionnaire does not indicate immigration status. So, please explain how they can determine the number of people living in this country illegally.
 
Old 07-23-2011, 01:00 PM
 
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According to Pew, their estimates are based on official government data. Since there is no official government data, only figures pulled from the sky, their reports are as useless as their source.

Again, how can the government estimate the number of illegal aliens in this country without having a method by which to identify them? They certainly can’t use the data from the Census Bureau, given that their questionnaire does not indicate immigration status. So, please explain how they can determine the number of people living in this country illegally.
The gov't doesn't estimate the number of illegals, PEW does. Perhaps you would be better to start by reading the piece I linked, then read the section titled: Methodology where they explain how they came to estimate the number of illegals instead of continued spewing of nonsensical blathering.
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