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Old 02-18-2012, 01:38 PM
 
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If you read many of the posts here, it's not that hard to see the connection between the anti-immigrant movement and barely concealed racism.

Immigration needs a LOT of reform, but most of the reasoning behind it is less than disgusting.
The constant false accusations of racism against those who want our immigration laws enforced only serve to play down real racism and further anger people.

You are right in that immigration needs reform. But not the amnesty that most illegal supporters seem to believe.

We need to reform immigration to make life easier for own people and not for foreign nationals who have broken our immigration laws. That means doing everything we can to discourage low skilled migrants from coming here and competing with our own low skilled wage earners. It also means that we need to stop imposing higher medical costs and other higher taxes on our own struggling middle class because illegals walk away from medical bills and drive without insurance. It's not fair to ask Americans to bear such huge burdens. It's vile to accuse Americans of the most vile motives when we demure.

The vast majority of illegals are Mexicans who do not speak English or have job skills or much of an education. Asking them to obey our immigration laws and go home is not racism. If they're going to make demands on a country let them make demands on their country not ours.
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Old 02-18-2012, 03:29 PM
 
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If you read many of the posts here, it's not that hard to see the connection between the anti-immigrant movement and barely concealed racism.

Immigration needs a LOT of reform, but most of the reasoning behind it is less than disgusting.
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The illegal immigrant population of the United States in 2008 was estimated by the Center for Immigration Studies to be about 11 million people, down from 12.5 million people in 2007.[2] Other estimates range from 7 to 20 million.[3] According to a Pew Hispanic Center report, in 2005, 56% of illegal immigrants were from Mexico; 22% were from other Latin American countries, primarily from Central America;[4] 13% were from Asia; 6% were from Europe and Canada; and 3% were from Africa and the rest of the world
56% Mexican and the 22% from Latin/Central America claim to be "Mexicans". The fact is 78% of illegals are Hispanic.

If 56% of illegals were Russian, they would be referred to as Russians, if Chinese, Chinese. If from Egypt, Morocco, Lebanon they would be referred to as "Arabs". Do you see illegals from Asia, Europe, Canada and Africa making demands on the US government?

You do realize that if the 56% of Mexicans get citizenship, that would have to be extended to the remaining 44%. If it wasn't, then those illegals can scream discrimination and will get citizenship as well.

You really find the reasons people have for wanting illegal immigration to stop and the resentment towards them as disgusting? They are living off of the taxpayer - which would be you, me and every other person who is a citizen of the US, who works and pays taxes. People who have no right to be in the US boldly making demands from the government. Do you get free medical care? They do. Doesn't cost them a dime. Does the government give you a check and food stamps everytime you have a baby? US citizens don't, but illegals get it. Do you send money out of the country every month which impacts our economy? Mexico does nothing to stop immigrants entering the US illegally. As a matter of fact they like when Mexicans cross the border because that means more money will be generated back into Mexico.

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In 2003, then-President of Mexico, Vicente Fox stated that remittances "are our biggest source of foreign income, bigger than oil, tourism or foreign investment" and that "the money transfers grew after Mexican consulates started giving identity cards to their citizens in the United States." He stated that money sent from Mexican workers in the United States to their families back home reached a record $12 billion.[28] Two years later, in 2005, the World Bank stated that Mexico was receiving $18.1 billion in remittances and that it ranked third (behind only India and China) among the countries receiving the greatest amount of remittances
$18.1 billon untaxed money.
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Old 02-18-2012, 03:47 PM
 
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...$18.1 billon untaxed money.
How are YOu declaring that amount as "untaxed"?...

What portion or percentage is legally earned in the United States and sent to Mexico?...
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Old 02-18-2012, 04:56 PM
 
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How are YOu declaring that amount as "untaxed"?...

What portion or percentage is legally earned in the United States and sent to Mexico?...
I don't know off hand. Although I can safely say if most illegal aliens went home much of Mexico's remittances would go away.
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Old 02-18-2012, 08:46 PM
 
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Anti-"immigrant" movement? Spin, much? And just what race are illegal aliens that we get to wear the label of racists in this issue?
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Old 02-18-2012, 11:09 PM
 
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You're right: I don't want illegal aliens here. Mexico is more racist against Guatemalans since they treat the illegal ones real bad, much WORSE than how we treat illegal Mexicans.
Is that ever true!
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Old 02-19-2012, 01:57 AM
 
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How are YOu declaring that amount as "untaxed"?...

What portion or percentage is legally earned in the United States and sent to Mexico?...
You tell us.

How many people in the USA would have $400-$800 or more a month left over after housing costs, grocery bills, health insurance premiums, automobile insurance, and taxes to send out of the country?

Essentially no illegal working as an "independent contractor" is paying into social security or paying federal or state income tax. Nor do they bother buying themselves a health insurance plan because they know they can count on receiving free health care here.

Illegals using stolen social security numbers are clever enough to declare many deductions so that no federal taxes are withheld.

A great deal of that remittance money is untaxed income.
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Old 02-19-2012, 07:29 AM
 
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How are YOu declaring that amount as "untaxed"?...

What portion or percentage is legally earned in the United States and sent to Mexico?...
You know as well as most, that the amounts that are taxed and sent back are considerably smaller than the amounts sent back by illegals.

You know as well as most people, that the bulk of remittances sent out are from illegals. Illegals are here for one purpose: to make money and to send as much money back home as possible. I've always wondered how someone being smuggled in to the US were able to pay a smuggler anywhere from $3-5,000. Illegals can afford to send larger amounts back when they have US government assistance propping them up.

Legal immigrants, on the other hand, who work and pay taxes probably send considerably less back as they actually have to support themselves and don't get government funding. Where you have an illegal immigrant working off the books and get government assistant can afford to send $300 a month back, more than likely the legal immigrant can only afford to $100.

I'm sure immigrants who took the time to come to the US legally and applied for a green card, didn't do so with the purpose of being able to send money back to their birth country. They worked, educated themselves, expected nothing from the government and assimilated into society because they wanted a better life.
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Old 02-19-2012, 07:56 AM
 
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The constant false accusations of racism against those who want our immigration laws enforced only serve to play down real racism and further anger people.

You are right in that immigration needs reform. But not the amnesty that most illegal supporters seem to believe.

We need to reform immigration to make life easier for own people and not for foreign nationals who have broken our immigration laws. That means doing everything we can to discourage low skilled migrants from coming here and competing with our own low skilled wage earners. It also means that we need to stop imposing higher medical costs and other higher taxes on our own struggling middle class because illegals walk away from medical bills and drive without insurance. It's not fair to ask Americans to bear such huge burdens. It's vile to accuse Americans of the most vile motives when we demure.

The vast majority of illegals are Mexicans who do not speak English or have job skills or much of an education. Asking them to obey our immigration laws and go home is not racism. If they're going to make demands on a country let them make demands on their country not ours.
I couldn't agree more. I would take it a step further and state that we need to declare a moratorium on ALL immigration until we get our own house in order.

It is time for all illegal aliens to either leave voluntarily or be forced out of the US. The need (if there is any) for continued legal immigration should be closely evaluated and only those who are educated, can speak English and provide a needed skill should be allowed into the US. The generosity that allows the family baggage to immigrate here that serves no other purpose than to increase the population, financial and social drain of American tax dollars should be eliminated.

There should be a moratorium on all foreign aid. It's time to take care of Americans.

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Old 02-19-2012, 02:56 PM
 
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You know as well as most, that the amounts that are taxed and sent back are considerably smaller than the amounts sent back by illegals.

You know as well as most people, that the bulk of remittances sent out are from illegals. Illegals are here for one purpose: to make money and to send as much money back home as possible. I've always wondered how someone being smuggled in to the US were able to pay a smuggler anywhere from $3-5,000. Illegals can afford to send larger amounts back when they have US government assistance propping them up.

Legal immigrants, on the other hand, who work and pay taxes probably send considerably less back as they actually have to support themselves and don't get government funding. Where you have an illegal immigrant working off the books and get government assistant can afford to send $300 a month back, more than likely the legal immigrant can only afford to $100.

I'm sure immigrants who took the time to come to the US legally and applied for a green card, didn't do so with the purpose of being able to send money back to their birth country. They worked, educated themselves, expected nothing from the government and assimilated into society because they wanted a better life.
Roughly half the foreign born hispanics in TX send regular remittances home. About 66% in CA and over 70% in NY. This would indicate that the majority of the money sent comes from the legal side. I would expect that the illegal family groups would send small amounts. The big portion would come from legal immigrants and the single males living cheap to send money home.
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