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Old 08-10-2011, 07:27 PM
 
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Mexico dont like illegals aliens, hell they treat people from Guatemala like dirt. Guatemala WAS part of Mexico after Spain was booted out.
So we need to be more like Mexico in your opinion?
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Old 08-10-2011, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Tempe, Az
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You think this answers the question of why closed borders are obviously and quintessentially American?
Im real cool with mostly closed borders. Til the USA fixes a bunch of problems here.
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Old 08-10-2011, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Tempe, Az
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So we need to be more like Mexico in your opinion?
Dealing with ILLEGAL aliens, yep. The USA needs to copy Mexico's immigration laws.
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Old 08-10-2011, 08:04 PM
 
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Oh that's right, there are some American citizens who, for whatever odd reason, actually support illegal alien lawbreakers and criminals. Hmm, I wonder if these American citizens also support American lawbreakers and criminals?
Well there are various crimes I think should not be crimes, laws I think should not be laws, etc.
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Old 08-10-2011, 08:10 PM
 
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Dealing with ILLEGAL aliens, yep. The USA needs to copy Mexico's immigration laws.
Which laws in particular?
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Old 08-10-2011, 09:44 PM
 
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Well there are various crimes I think should not be crimes, laws I think should not be laws, etc.

None of us like the laws that go against our personal beliefs....yet we have to abide by them.

I live with a HOA. That can get interesting. Yet, if I chose to live here, I must follow the rules.

I'm also a smoker. So I understand how it feels to be an outcast. I still have to smoke in designated areas. If I lived in certain states and had children living with me and smoked, I may even run the risk of having them taken from me. My father died well above the national age average from nothing to do with smoking and he smoked 3 packs a day in the home I grew up in with me present. I suffer no smoking related illnesses. Apparently, it dosen't bother the anti smoking people that I could be separated from my children for a choice that they see as bad.

I have been to Mexico many times and I've seen the good and the bad. I've helped Mexican people with educational funds in Mexico. I've also seen the good and bad in the US. Mexico is not the he11 hole some want to portray. Certainly not to the degree that it justifies breaking laws and putting their childrens future in danger by coming here illegally. This is a form of child abuse in my eyes and should be a crime in itself. If the dreamies are so afraid to go to a "new land" (home) they should have to turn in their illegal parents because they are to blame for their problems.
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Old 08-11-2011, 06:49 AM
 
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None of us like the laws that go against our personal beliefs....yet we have to abide by them.
Well we willfully ignore the dumber ones all the time, but whatever. The point is that yes, sometimes I do "support" criminal behavior.
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Old 08-11-2011, 10:47 AM
 
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Well we willfully ignore the dumber ones all the time, but whatever. The point is that yes, sometimes I do "support" criminal behavior.

That's fine as long as we all realize the potential repercussions that go along with ignoring the laws that don't appeal to us. When we get caught, we pay the price because we were well aware of the costs.

The truth of the matter is, all laws were passed because someone saw a damage to society that came about due to that particular behaviour. In this case it is the cost to society in the form of bringing in too many unskilled laborers that don't add enough to the tax base to cover their costs, taking away jobs that are needed by citizens and lowering the base wages, utilizing resources and infrastructure that wasn't prepared for the mass influx, as well as hindering communication by not learning the language spoken here. Our immigration system is built in such a way that incoming immigrants can integrate into society as we become prepared for them and can utilize their abilities.

The way this has happened is like we loaded a boat with passengers without putting in the drain plug first and the boat is sinking.
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Old 08-11-2011, 10:49 AM
 
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That's fine as long as we all realize the potential repercussions that go along with ignoring the laws that don't appeal to us. When we get caught, we pay the price because we were well aware of the costs.
This is basically irrelevant to any rational normative discussion.

"That guy over there, he shoots anyone who is wearing red."

Dude: "Wow, he sounds like a horrible human being, can we stop him?"
Patriot USA#1: "Just don't complain if you wear red, ya know what I mean?"
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Old 08-11-2011, 12:32 PM
 
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That's fine as long as we all realize the potential repercussions that go along with ignoring the laws that don't appeal to us. When we get caught, we pay the price because we were well aware of the costs.

The truth of the matter is, all laws were passed because someone saw a damage to society that came about due to that particular behaviour. In this case it is the cost to society in the form of bringing in too many unskilled laborers that don't add enough to the tax base to cover their costs, taking away jobs that are needed by citizens and lowering the base wages, utilizing resources and infrastructure that wasn't prepared for the mass influx, as well as hindering communication by not learning the language spoken here. Our immigration system is built in such a way that incoming immigrants can integrate into society as we become prepared for them and can utilize their abilities.

The way this has happened is like we loaded a boat with passengers without putting in the drain plug first and the boat is sinking.
Wow, this is so off base.

A) you can't just assume that laws were passed with good intentions
B) even if you do, there are always unintended consequences regardless of intent so it's still valid to question existing laws
C) our immigration system was in no way built so that "incoming immigrants can integrate into society as we become prepared for them and can utilize their abilities" - what even gave you this idea?

As for your concluding analogy, I really can't figure out what you're actually trying to say other than "status quo good, change bad."
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