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Old 08-10-2011, 11:25 AM
 
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And it still says nothing about the HUGE DRAIN of printing stuff in spanish. :|

Oh, and the link in the OP has no sources. It's just an op-ed, it's not a source itself.
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Old 08-10-2011, 11:34 AM
 
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Bob Dane is Communications Director for FAIR, the Federation for American Immigration Reform. Kristen Williamson is Communications Assistant for FAIR.

Federation for American Immigration Reform | Southern Poverty Law Center

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FAIR’s founder, John Tanton, has expressed his wish that America remain a majority-white population: a goal to be achieved, presumably, by limiting the number of nonwhites who enter the country.
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Old 08-10-2011, 11:37 AM
 
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Because both parties are prostituting themselves for the Hispanic vote.
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Old 08-11-2011, 03:39 PM
 
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The reason is very simple. There are no hard numbers. The "anti" side argues illegals cost a fortune while discounting the fact they pay taxes. There have been studies that show illegals cost "x", however, there are no studies showing how much illegals pay in.

You cannot deny that they pay taxes, because they do. Whether or not they pay in enough is debatable and the hard numbers showing whether or not they do are lacking.
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Old 08-11-2011, 03:50 PM
 
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Because both parties are prostituting themselves for the Hispanic vote.
Nope i would say one party more then the other, way more, is kissing the butts of the Hispanic Voter, and any one with half a brain, knows this.
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Old 08-11-2011, 09:54 PM
 
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Because both parties are prostituting themselves for the Hispanic vote.
Not all so-called hispanics and also it's probably more about the bribe money by the cheap labor corporations and elites who like their servants dirt cheap.

Of course businesses and individuals have plenty of visas available if they need foreign workers but why bother following the laws and providing work visas when they can just bring in semi-trailer loads of illegals.
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Old 08-11-2011, 10:18 PM
 
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Of course businesses and individuals have plenty of visas available if they need foreign workers but why bother following the laws and providing work visas when they can just bring in semi-trailer loads of illegals.
False.
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Old 08-13-2011, 10:38 AM
 
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Of course businesses and individuals have plenty of visas available if they need foreign workers but why bother following the laws and providing work visas when they can just bring in semi-trailer loads of illegals.
Given our high levels of unemployment, I think it's pretty much impossible to argue that businesses "need" foreign workers. Part of the problem is that they prefer to hire foreign engineers, for instance, because they can pay them next to nothing relative to American engineers.

Another issue is that our handout system allows the unemployed to remain just that. There's plenty of work in agriculture, but it's far too easy to collect benefits when someone is just sending you a check in the mail.
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Old 08-13-2011, 10:48 AM
 
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Given our high levels of unemployment, I think it's pretty much impossible to argue that businesses "need" foreign workers. Part of the problem is that they prefer to hire foreign engineers, for instance, because they can pay them next to nothing relative to American engineers.

Another issue is that our handout system allows the unemployed to remain just that. There's plenty of work in agriculture, but it's far too easy to collect benefits when someone is just sending you a check in the mail.
I agree - but my point is that even with ultra high unemployment, there is no lack of visas being given out or employers who choose to use them which just means no excuse for the employers bringing in and hiring illegals.

Unemployment benefits should come with a requirement to accept a job offer even if the job isn't exactly what the individual had in mind. That is -- if they were willing to load up boxes at a UPS facility but instead are offered a job at a fruit picking business loading boxes onto a truck -- fine, let them be hired to do that.

I would agree all immigration rates (illegal and legal) are too high with the current job situation. At the same time, I would think anyone can see that fewer legal opportunities to work here exist when boatloads of illegals can be brought in and employers aren't being prosecuted for doing so.
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Old 08-13-2011, 11:00 AM
 
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The reason is very simple. There are no hard numbers. The "anti" side argues illegals cost a fortune while discounting the fact they pay taxes. There have been studies that show illegals cost "x", however, there are no studies showing how much illegals pay in.

You cannot deny that they pay taxes, because they do. Whether or not they pay in enough is debatable and the hard numbers showing whether or not they do are lacking.
Actually, there are several studies showing that they have a net cost.

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The cost of immigration to our society is enormous. The most recent estimate places the net cost of post-1969 immigrants at $61 billion in 2000 alone ($35 billion from legal immigrants and $26 billion from illegal immigrants).1 This is after immigrants’ contribution in taxes has been subtracted. As high as the cost is now, the rising tide of immigration will lift it even higher in years to come. By the end of 2002, the annual net cost of immigration will have risen $66 billion.2
A study from the National Bureau of Economic Research, based on the Census Bureau’s Survey of Income and Program Participation, analyzed the cost of immigrants based on their specific use of means-tested welfare (both direct and indirect), and found that the total immigrant receipt of benefits in 1996 came to $180 billion.3

That annual amount is sure to grow as the population of legal and illegal immigrants receives over one million new people a year.

The real costs are probably even higher than these estimates, which do not take into account the effects of immigration in displacing American workers from their jobs and depressing wages. Whatever the annual cost, it is sure to grow as the population of legal and illegal immigrants—now at 31 million—receives over a million new people every year. With immigration policy skewed toward admitting relatives from underdeveloped countries and away from skilled admissions, the flow of immigrants is increasingly composed of the unskilled and undereducated. As a result, “immigrants arriving in the past decade or so are earning less compared to native-born Americans than immigrants who arrived in earlier decades.”4 In other words, the overall earning power of the immigrant population will continue to deteriorate, making them an even bigger drain on taxpayers.
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Arizona’s illegal immigrant population is costing the state’s taxpayers even more than once thought -- a whopping $2.7 billion in 2009, according to researchers at the public interest group that helped write the state's new immigration law.

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FAIR's new breakdown shows that illegal immigrants take $1.6 billion from Arizona's education system, $694.8 million from health care services, $339.7 million in law enforcement and court costs, $85.5 million in welfare costs and $155.4 million in other general costs.

Jack Martin, the chief researcher on the report, says his data, in fact, do include benefits like the estimated $142.8 million in taxes paid by an estimated 500,000 illegal immigrants

In other words, illegals don't even pay for 1/10 of their costs on the education system in Arizona.

Of course, these studies also can't begin to calculate the costs of the annihilation of the quality of the already careening American public school system. What are teachers supposed to do when some freshman in high school shows up and can't even speak English? And what of the kids who do? They're just suppposed to deal with it?

One need only look at the amount of tax dollars that need to be paid into the system to even pay for, let's say, the birth of the child to an illegal immigrant. In Colorado, illegal immigrants account for 40% of Colorado Medicaid deliveries in the state. That's an average cost of $5,000 per baby. Colorado has a 4.2% income tax. That's the equivalent of the income tax paid on an income of over $119,000. In other words, it costs the state of Colorado the entire income tax paid by one of its most productive citizens to pay for one illegal immigrant's baby. And how many illegal immigrants do you see with multiple kids?

Ask yourself if it's worth it. Or if there's anyway these illegals pay for themselves.
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