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Old 08-13-2011, 10:24 AM
 
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Actually, there are several studies showing that they have a net cost.





In other words, illegals don't even pay for 1/10 of their costs on the education system in Arizona.

Of course, these studies also can't begin to calculate the costs of the annihilation of the quality of the already careening American public school system. What are teachers supposed to do when some freshman in high school shows up and can't even speak English? And what of the kids who do? They're just suppposed to deal with it?

One need only look at the amount of tax dollars that need to be paid into the system to even pay for, let's say, the birth of the child to an illegal immigrant. In Colorado, illegal immigrants account for 40% of Colorado Medicaid deliveries in the state. That's an average cost of $5,000 per baby. Colorado has a 4.2% income tax. That's the equivalent of the income tax paid on an income of over $119,000. In other words, it costs the state of Colorado the entire income tax paid by one of its most productive citizens to pay for one illegal immigrant's baby. And how many illegal immigrants do you see with multiple kids?

Ask yourself if it's worth it. Or if there's anyway these illegals pay for themselves.

FAIR lol. Maybe you should read my previous post itt regarding FAIR. Virtually every study done by groups other than FAIR or CIS (lol) state they are a net benefit or at the very worst such a slight cost that it's basically a wash.
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Old 08-13-2011, 12:20 PM
 
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FAIR lol. Maybe you should read my previous post itt regarding FAIR. Virtually every study done by groups other than FAIR or CIS (lol) state they are a net benefit or at the very worst such a slight cost that it's basically a wash.

So obviously FAIR and CIS are wrong because you don't agree with them. Cherrypicking? Is that a job Americans won't do?
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Old 08-13-2011, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Rockport Texas from El Paso
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I don't see any facts concerning the cost of illegal immigration. I believe CATO once said it cost $40 million annually during the first generation but became a positive during the following generations. These immigrants keep our food costs low.

Obesity and smoking EACH cost 10X that much per year Source :Center for Disease Control.

NOTICE JKBACTA - and you will see this play out time and time again. JKBACTA can not write a decent sentence in English- he would flunk 5th grade writing (even in Texas). It seems that the lowest people on the educational and social totem pole need someone else to kick just to feel better about themselves. It won't work JKBacta just think of all the tax money wasted on YOUR education.
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Old 08-13-2011, 12:29 PM
 
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So obviously FAIR and CIS are wrong because you don't agree with them. Cherrypicking? Is that a job Americans won't do?

No they are most likely wrong because they are bias being funded by white nationalists who want to limit ALL immigration. I mean, you all sit here and cry about being called racist and then not only do you post information from racist organizations, you defend them too. If I was trying to claim I wasn't racist I wouldn't be linking to known organizations linked to and funded by some of the nation's most notorious white supremacists and eugenicists.
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Old 08-13-2011, 12:33 PM
 
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I don't see any facts concerning the cost of illegal immigration. I believe CATO once said it cost $40 million annually during the first generation but became a positive during the following generations. These immigrants keep our food costs low.

Obesity and smoking EACH cost 10X that much per year Source :Center for Disease Control.

NOTICE JKBACTA - and you will see this play out time and time again. JKBACTA can not write a decent sentence in English- he would flunk 5th grade writing (even in Texas). It seems that the lowest people on the educational and social totem pole need someone else to kick just to feel better about themselves. It won't work JKBacta just think of all the tax money wasted on YOUR education.
Where are food costs low? From what I can tell, back before all the illegals arrived, food was a whole lot cheaper. Bread is now $2.50 a loaf? Do you believe that's cheap? It used to be less than $1.00, even as low as $0.50. Beef prices have climbed incredibly high, I've seen lettuce which used to go for $0.25 as much as $2 a head!

There is absolutely no evidence illegals are keeping costs of anything low. Certainly not health care costs or education costs, Medicaid costs, food stamp costs, WIC costs. They're skyrocketing. And the cost of millions of unemployed Americans is not low by any stretch.
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Old 08-13-2011, 02:41 PM
 
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So obviously FAIR and CIS are wrong because you don't agree with them. Cherrypicking? Is that a job Americans won't do?
Wow, your definition of cherrypicking is like the exact opposite of the real definition.
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Old 08-13-2011, 03:31 PM
 
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Given our high levels of unemployment, I think it's pretty much impossible to argue that businesses "need" foreign workers. Part of the problem is that they prefer to hire foreign engineers, for instance, because they can pay them next to nothing relative to American engineers.

Another issue is that our handout system allows the unemployed to remain just that. There's plenty of work in agriculture, but it's far too easy to collect benefits when someone is just sending you a check in the mail.
There is no need for an unemployed, skilled American to pick crops. Many of our unemployed are middled aged and couldn't do that kind of work for any length of time and don't live in rural areas. If your unemployment benefits pay more and you have a family to support why would you pick crops instead? There are however many other jobs that Americans could and would do if not for the presence of illegal alien workers. I am sick of the agricultural argument. Once again there are unlimited H-2A visas for legal, foreign crop pickers so let's put that argument to rest once and for all, shall we?
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Old 08-13-2011, 03:39 PM
 
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I don't see any facts concerning the cost of illegal immigration. I believe CATO once said it cost $40 million annually during the first generation but became a positive during the following generations. These immigrants keep our food costs low.

Obesity and smoking EACH cost 10X that much per year Source :Center for Disease Control.

NOTICE JKBACTA - and you will see this play out time and time again. JKBACTA can not write a decent sentence in English- he would flunk 5th grade writing (even in Texas). It seems that the lowest people on the educational and social totem pole need someone else to kick just to feel better about themselves. It won't work JKBacta just think of all the tax money wasted on YOUR education.
No, illegal aliens do not keep our food costs low. I know, I am a grocery shopper. The farmers just pocket the excess profits. Besides, when you factor in their social costs that are passed on to us, that so-called cheap tomato probably doubles in prices in all actuality.
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Old 08-15-2011, 08:44 AM
 
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No they are most likely wrong because they are bias being funded by white nationalists who want to limit ALL immigration. I mean, you all sit here and cry about being called racist and then not only do you post information from racist organizations, you defend them too. If I was trying to claim I wasn't racist I wouldn't be linking to known organizations linked to and funded by some of the nation's most notorious white supremacists and eugenicists.

It seems very foolish to suggest that a website is biased because it wants to limit ALL immigration. Doesn't that mean they want to limit immigration from Europe and Canada as well as everyone else? To me that proves a non biased opinion that we need to get a handle on the financial condition of the country.

Are you suggesting that any form of media that isn't funded by George Soros and his ilk is biased? Pot/Kettle
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Old 08-15-2011, 08:56 AM
 
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It seems very foolish to suggest that a website is biased because it wants to limit ALL immigration.
That's not the ONLY reason.

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Are you suggesting that any form of media that isn't funded by George Soros and his ilk is biased? Pot/Kettle
lol, you can't possibly be serious here, can you?
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