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Old 08-12-2011, 11:11 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Rockmadinejad View Post
I don't have a source because I'm not referencing data, I just gave you a bit of obvious deduction.

$X for hospital
Hospital spends Y% of $X on illegal immigrants.

So we're not talking about the full bill, obviously.
Obvious only to those with an open borders agenda. Everything is marginalized, other than their “benefit” to this country.
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Old 08-12-2011, 11:13 AM
 
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Obvious only to those with an open borders agenda. Everything is marginalized, other than their “benefit” to this country.
Is what I said not true? Is that full grant going to care for illegal immigrants?
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Old 08-12-2011, 11:17 AM
 
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So, using ER care as an example, can you think of a way to put a stop to this heinous practice of giving illegal immigrants emergency medical care?
Yes. ONLY treat the bona fide “emergency” cases, as in life-threatening conditions. Unfortunately, most illegals use the ER for non-emergency conditions, and by law, they must be treated. This BS must stop. They are using our ERs as their primary care physicians, and WE are paying, not them. Heck, they don’t even pay for organ transplants or kidney dialysis.
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Old 08-12-2011, 11:18 AM
 
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Is what I said not true? Is that full grant going to care for illegal immigrants?
We don’t know. Do we?
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Old 08-12-2011, 11:20 AM
 
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Yes. ONLY treat the bona fide “emergency” cases, as in life-threatening conditions.
This would absolutely not prevent illegal immigrants from using ER's, obviously.
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Old 08-12-2011, 11:21 AM
 
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We don’t know. Do we?
Give it a %. What do you think the likelihood is that this will go fully and completely toward care for illegal immigrants?
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Old 08-12-2011, 11:27 AM
 
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This is of course where Benicar provides a bunch of seemingly relevant links that don't disprove anything I've said, or prove that enough of them are leeching off the system to generalize a whole group.


This is probably the part where you start to reject PEW citations even though you've been using them this whole time.


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According to a report by the Pew Hispanic Center, a think tank that has done extensive research on immigration policy, 3.8 million undocumented immigrants have at least one child who is a citizen.
OK. So approx. 3.8 million of all the illegals have a kid. Should we use the 10.8ish million or 30 million guesstimates on illegal population to figure the percentages?

10.8 million - 35.18%
30 million - 12.67%

Immigration from Mexico to the U.S. tends to go up and down in tandem with the health of the economy.

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According to another Pew Hispanic Center report, immigration from Mexico dropped by about one-third between 2000-2001 and 2002-2003, coinciding with the recession precipitated by the dot-com bust and the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. The numbers climbed back as the economy recovered, rising close to their pre-decline numbers by 2005-2006. Then, the numbers fell again, starting in 2006-2007 (a bit before the current recession began) and have continued to fall as the economy has sputtered.
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"All the data suggests that people come here to work -- especially Mexicans, and especially illegal Mexicans," said Suro. "If people came here because they were looking for work, you would expect to see the flow fluctuate with employment opportunities -- and that’s what the data shows. If people came here to have babies, the flows would be pretty constant, and they are not."
There's something else you don't see, Suro said. If having a baby was a significant driving factor in illegal immigration, you would expect to see a higher percentage of women of child-bearing age in the U.S. illegally compared to men of the same age. In fact, just the opposite is the case. Numbers from the Pew Hispanic Center show that in four separate age ranges between 20 and 40, undocumented men significantly outnumber undocumented women.
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Old 08-12-2011, 12:01 PM
 
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So, using ER care as an example, can you think of a way to put a stop to this heinous practice of giving illegal immigrants emergency medical care?
Since the article said NOTHING about ER medical services your example in this thread is pointless.

Start a new thread on ER services for illegal aliens, don't try and hijack this one.....
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Old 08-12-2011, 12:05 PM
 
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This is of course where Benicar provides a bunch of seemingly relevant links that don't disprove anything I've said, or prove that enough of them are leeching off the system to generalize a whole group.
At least he provides links to validate what he is saying unlike you who provides nothing but allegations, never validating anything.
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Old 08-12-2011, 12:26 PM
 
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This would absolutely not prevent illegal immigrants from using ER's, obviously.
Oh, but it would. If they are made to pay for their non-emergency “emergency” treatment, they will think twice before entering an ER. Stop the freebies.
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