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Old 08-12-2011, 04:36 PM
 
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Question: If the number of illegals is a guesstimate, how is the percentage of those with children not also a guesstimate?

Wait. Now, every single link you provided itt earlier was from a PEW Study which was using these SAME EXACT ESTIMATES to determine those quotes you rattled off. You have no problem using their estimates when you think they support your side but now of course you question their accuracy. ROFL. I don't know how you can lie to yourself like this, let alone other people.

Also, I called it. It just took 4 pages for you to understand the argument before you could reject your own sources once again:

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This is probably the part where you start to reject PEW citations even though you've been using them this whole time.
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Old 08-12-2011, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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They will die from not getting care in the ER for non-emergencies? Since when is this a conservative issue anyway? Any sane American doesn't want their taxes covering foreigners here on our soil illegally.
The number of posters who actually believe we should sacrifice our own for the sake of people who are here illegally is absolutely astonishing. We canít provide for our own uninsured citizens. Yet, we should use our scant resources to treat illegal aliens. Why donít their countries have a moral obligation?
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Old 08-12-2011, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Um, I'm pretty sure when you say "they do it for profit!" as if it has massive negative connotations, it might be worth pointing out that most of your arguments relate to profits for citizens.
As long as the profits are obtained through legal means, I have no problem.
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Old 08-12-2011, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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They will die from not getting care in the ER for non-emergencies? Since when is this a conservative issue anyway? Any sane American doesn't want their taxes covering foreigners here on our soil illegally.
Who is to decide what is an emergency and what isn't? I can tell you for certain, the first time an "illegal" dies from being turned down at an ER, there'll be hell to pay!

That's not the topic of the thread, anyway. The topic is the community health centers, which were first funded in 1962, in the Kennedy adminstration, for migrant workers. These migrant health centers can cut down on the number of ER visits.
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Old 08-12-2011, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Wait. Now, every single link you provided itt earlier was from a PEW Study which was using these SAME EXACT ESTIMATES to determine those quotes you rattled off. You have no problem using their estimates when you think they support your side but now of course you question their accuracy. ROFL. I don't know how you can lie to yourself like this, let alone other people.

Also, I called it. It just took 4 pages for you to understand the argument before you could reject your own sources once again:
Again, there are limited sources. And, NONE of the sources have accurate data. Illegal immigration is a guesstimate by ALL. So, we neither know the number of illegals in this country, the number of children they have, or the total cost to taxpayers for their illegal presence. It’s pointless to argue over inaccurate data.

However, we DO know there are millions here. And, we DO know they are receiving “free” medical care, “free” organ transplants, “free” kidney dialysis, “free” housing, “free” education, “free” WIC, “free” pre/postnatal care, the list goes on. . .

They have no right to be here; and as a citizen, I have every right to expect my government to uphold the law, and rid our country of this unnecessary burden.
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Old 08-12-2011, 04:52 PM
 
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Benicar: "Check out these sources supporting my side!"
huddled: "[explains what the source actually says]"
Benicar: "THIS DATA IS UNRELIABLE, MY CONCERNS ABOUT METHODOLOGY ARE SUDDENLY RELEVANT"
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Old 08-12-2011, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Who is to decide what is an emergency and what isn't? I can tell you for certain, the first time an "illegal" dies from being turned down at an ER, there'll be hell to pay!

That's not the topic of the thread, anyway. The topic is the community health centers, which were first funded in 1962, in the Kennedy adminstration, for migrant workers. These migrant health centers can cut down on the number of ER visits.
The doctors and nurses are more than capable of determining a non-emergency from an emergency. Should we allow even more hospital closures due to illegal immigration? What about our citizens? Is it okay to allow them to die because illegal aliens have overwhelmed our ERs?

I donít remember who started this ER discussion. But, youíre right. It is not the topic of this thread.
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Old 08-12-2011, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Benicar: "Check out these sources supporting my side!"
huddled: "[explains what the source actually says]"
Benicar: "THIS DATA IS UNRELIABLE, MY CONCERNS ABOUT METHODOLOGY ARE SUDDENLY RELEVANT"
I really donít know how many times I must repeat the same thing. Did I, or did I not, tell him that sources are limited? In addition, did I not request that he provide more credible sources, given that everything I post is criticized? Either offer something better, or accept/reject what is posted. I certainly donít care.
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Old 08-12-2011, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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lol, it's weird how many times I have to tell you that no one I know uses illegal labor.
Personally, I don't even know ANY illegal aliens...

That's not twisting words or a strange definition...

I literally don't know anyone in the United States without immigration status...
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Old 08-12-2011, 05:33 PM
 
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Who is to decide what is an emergency and what isn't? I can tell you for certain, the first time an "illegal" dies from being turned down at an ER, there'll be hell to pay!

That's not the topic of the thread, anyway. The topic is the community health centers, which were first funded in 1962, in the Kennedy adminstration, for migrant workers. These migrant health centers can cut down on the number of ER visits.
Obviously the medical staff on duty at the ER's would make that determination. Again, if it is a non-emergency how is the illegal going to die from it? I have no problem with anyone being treated in a life-threating situation regardless of their status in this country.

You asked the question or made the point and I responded but now it's off topic? As long as any of our taxes go to treating illegal aliens for non-emergency care, I oppose it.
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