Post Office Returns Letters In NM Driver's Licenses Check (employment, Mexicans, suspect)
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But Americans CAN be kidnapped and dropped off in Siberia.
Now, given that, if someone were to do that to you, then you would no longer be able to commit crimes in the US, agree or disagree?
The point here is that we're having a normative discussion. People are talking about how they think things SHOULD be when they say "IF we deported them all, THEN they couldn't do XYZ." You can't just flip-flop from that sort of hypothetical future-tense discussion to a positive, status-quo-based "but that's not possible" crybaby tactic once the discussion goes somewhere that makes you uncomfortable.
Well, you CAN, it's just not a valid argument. And I'll point it out as the debate-dodging technique it is.
Stop with the hypothetical BS, and deal with reality. If illegal aliens were not in this country, countless citizens would still be alive. That’s a FACT. Would people still be killed by drunk drivers? Of course. But, those killed by illegals would have been spared. End of story.
If the American wants an unreasonable wage and benefits to do the job, can the legal immigrant still be hired? When you want to reduce legal immigration because of illegal immigration, you need to be more clear in your own words as to prevent speculation why.
Who are you to dictate what are or are not “reasonable” wages and benefits? Moreover, why are you and your group so hell-bent on depressing the wages of U.S. citizens? Aren’t you included in the U.S. workforce? So, wouldn’t that also impact your wages and benefits? Wages have already plummeted. Will you only be satisfied when the average U.S. citizens’ wages are on par with those of the “slave” labor in China?
Who are you to dictate what are or are not “reasonable” wages and benefits? Moreover, why are you and your group so hell-bent on depressing the wages of U.S. citizens? Aren’t you included in the U.S. workforce? So, wouldn’t that also impact your wages and benefits? Wages have already plummeted. Will you only be satisfied when the average U.S. citizens’ wages are on par with those of the “slave” labor in China?
Good point. If someone believes the wages of the typical American are way too high, they can certainly find lower wages nations to which they could emigrate to. No one is forcing the low-wage lovers to stay here.
Who are you to dictate what are or are not “reasonable” wages and benefits? Moreover, why are you and your group so hell-bent on depressing the wages of U.S. citizens? Aren’t you included in the U.S. workforce? So, wouldn’t that also impact your wages and benefits? Wages have already plummeted. Will you only be satisfied when the average U.S. citizens’ wages are on par with those of the “slave” labor in China?
Part of that ¨U.S. workforce¨ is Legal Permanent Residents. I have no impact on general wage levels within the United States, but I am asking in a scenario of a job if a U.S. citizen would want double what the market can bear*. Does the job have to go to a U.S. citizen instead of a legal immigrant?
* A few days ago ¨chicagonut¨ related that ¨skilled jobs¨ in the construction industry, like a drywall hanger, were now at ¨half¨ the wages they used to be...
Stop with the hypothetical BS, and deal with reality. If illegal aliens were not in this country, countless citizens would still be alive. That’s a FACT. Would people still be killed by drunk drivers? Of course. But, those killed by illegals would have been spared. End of story.
Here's some more reality: if the same number of US citizens were removed, countless other citizens would still be alive. That's a FACT.
In other words: there's nothing special about illegals that indicates they're more likely to kill than US citizens.
Who are you to dictate what are or are not “reasonable” wages and benefits? Moreover, why are you and your group so hell-bent on depressing the wages of U.S. citizens? Aren’t you included in the U.S. workforce? So, wouldn’t that also impact your wages and benefits? Wages have already plummeted. Will you only be satisfied when the average U.S. citizens’ wages are on par with those of the “slave” labor in China?
He's not "dictating" what wages are reasonable. Clearly he means "competitve" as determined by the marketplace.
[quote=IBMMuseum;20439688]If someone is legally here, contributing by paying taxes, but unable to draw any benefits, isn't that a net gain to the economy?...
Yes, but when jobs are scarce as they are now those jobs should go to Americans first and in turn the American would be paying taxes. How many times do I have to repeat that to you?
Does legal immigration shift from being beneficial when the economy is good (your definition: "plentiful jobs") to not being beneficial when the economy is bad?...
It isn't about being beneficial. It is holding jobs that Americans should have first dibs on when the economy is bad. See above for the umpteenth time.
My comment was whether it was a "good" thing for a legal immigrant to have that job, not whether it was the best thing. If the American wants an unreasonable wage and benefits to do the job, can the legal immigrant still be hired? When you want to reduce legal immigration because of illegal immigration, you need to be more clear in your own words as to prevent speculation why.
A legal immigrant should get paid the same as an American which is the going rate for a job. What makes you think that an American would charge more or expect more? I think I have been very clear. As long as the economy is bad, jobs are scarce and we have millions of illegal aliens in our country holding needed jobs then perhaps we should cut back the numbers of legal immigrants until all of the above is resolved. Sorry you don't agree but my views are based on what is best for Americans, not immigrants.
Part of that ¨U.S. workforce¨ is Legal Permanent Residents. I have no impact on general wage levels within the United States, but I am asking in a scenario of a job if a U.S. citizen would want double what the market can bear*. Does the job have to go to a U.S. citizen instead of a legal immigrant?
* A few days ago ¨chicagonut¨ related that ¨skilled jobs¨ in the construction industry, like a drywall hanger, were now at ¨half¨ the wages they used to be...
And that depressing of construction wages was due to illegal aliens, not legal immigrants.
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