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Old 08-19-2011, 04:45 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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It is a magnet because the more anchors they produce on our soil the more welfare dollars they get. They don't have to work! Even if they have to wait years to be sponsored b their anchor while collecting welfare benefits it is worth it to them.

Their healthcare is free to them here so why should they worry about low cost healthcare in Mexico? I believe someone posted some stats in here that it is Hispanics who are largest welfare recipiencts in apportion to their numbers here.
Your so accurate, the more babies born here on our soil, we know the more welfare dollars they get, that is a given. Why should they get free, what some of our citizens cannot even afford to have. The premise does not seem right to our citizens.
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Old 08-19-2011, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Houston, Texas
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It is a magnet because the more anchors they produce on our soil the more welfare dollars they get. They don't have to work! Even if they have to wait years to be sponsored b their anchor while collecting welfare benefits it is worth it to them.

Their healthcare is free to them here so why should they worry about low cost healthcare in Mexico? I believe someone posted some stats in here that it is Hispanics who are largest welfare recipiencts in apportion to their numbers here.
You really think someone can be on welfare for 20-30 years? I know WIC stops giving you help after the child turns 5 and the law says you can only be on welfare for a maximum of 5 years (2 years at a time, but 5 years maximum).
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Old 08-19-2011, 04:47 PM
 
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Your so accurate, the more babies born here on our soil, we know the more welfare dollars they get, that is a given. Why should they get free, what some of our citizens cannot even afford to have. The premise does not seem right to our citizens.
Those babies born on US soil ARE citizens.
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Old 08-19-2011, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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You really think someone can be on welfare for 20-30 years? I know WIC stops giving you help after the child turns 5 and the law says you can only be on welfare for a maximum of 5 years (2 years at a time, but 5 years maximum).
Besides a cap on the amount of children that would increase the benefits...
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Old 08-19-2011, 04:56 PM
 
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You really think someone can be on welfare for 20-30 years? I know WIC stops giving you help after the child turns 5 and the law says you can only be on welfare for a maximum of 5 years (2 years at a time, but 5 years maximum).
I think the rules are different if you have dependant children. To my knowledge their kids are covered up to 18 years of age. If they space their kids far enough apart and have many of them it can go on for many years. Please correct me with a link if I am wrong.
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Old 08-19-2011, 05:07 PM
 
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I don't know about that since some people consider free school lunches as welfare (not all schools use it though). People claim Illegals use the most welfare which is not true; whites and Blacks make up the largest percentage of recipients.

If you search on google you will find numbers such as these:

Breakdown of AFDC in US. White 38.8 percent, Black 39.8 percent, Hispanic 15.7 percent, Asian 2.4 percent, other 3.3 percent.

It makes sense for whites to be the top recipients considering they make up the majority of the population.

Wikipedia points to another 2002 study using TANF which has results such as:

White:32%
Black: 38%
Hispanic: 25% (but remember not all Hispanics are illegal).

My polisci textbook is from 2007 and it has similar figures to the first ones I posted above.
Why wouldn't free school lunches and/or breakfastes be considered a form of welfare? They are provided to childlren of low income families, aren't they? Since when is it our schools responsiblity to feed students for free? They are there to educate not supply one of the basics needs of life that their parents are responsible for.

I wish I had saved the link that someone had provided in here about the number of welfare recipients by ethnic/racial makeup. If I remember right proportionately to their numbers here Hispanics were the largest recipients. group. Another thing, many Hispanics just call themselves "white" so they would fall into the white catagory.

You even stated in your post that if whites are the highest recipients it is because whites are by far the majority in this country.
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Old 08-19-2011, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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I don't know about that since some people consider free school lunches as welfare...
There are also reduced-cost school meals and school bus transportation that are defined here to be "welfare"...
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Old 08-19-2011, 06:23 PM
 
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There are also reduced-cost school meals and school bus transportation that are defined here to be "welfare"...

Yep! Any breaks that low income families get is a form of welfare.
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Old 08-19-2011, 07:42 PM
 
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Yep! Any breaks that low income families get is a form of welfare.
But breaks that rich people get aren't, right?
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Old 08-19-2011, 10:15 PM
 
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I don't understand why people consider that to be a magnet; all this anchor baby talk doesn't seem logical at least to me. First the parents would have to wait 20-30 years to get their papers fixed through their U.S. born children and in the meantime they would have to live in fear or decreasing opportunities of finding a job. Secondly, I doubt people at least in regards to Mexicans say "let me risk my life going to the U.S. to get on welfare". They would probably be better off in Mexico which has low cost national health care (overcrowded but better than nothing) and no one is starving over there (in fact their suffering from overweight epidemic like the U.S.). I admit there's probably some illegals on welfare though their dominance in it is a myth and overly exaggerated; I'm sure you remember this was discussed on another thread which mentioned how whites and blacks dominate there?
Most don't risk their lives to come here for one. They know they will never be expected to pay a dime of their hospital and other medical bills when they have the baby, many simply come over on a shopping pass or other visitor visa before the due date, have the baby at taxpayer expense, and then it's on to the welfare office for food stamps, WIC, housing assistance.

Mexico has low-cost nationalized health care but they have co-pays that are based on a sliding scale according to their income, a physician visit plus medicine might cost them $20 but why spend $20 when they can expect it to be totally free in the USA?

Welfare is a huge part of illegal immigration as almost no illegal can really afford the high cost of living here, virtually none head over to a health insurance agency upon arriving here because they know health care here is free -- for them.

The illegals per se might not be on welfare handouts but their US born children are. The food stamps allotted are based on household size but are technically given to the US born baby even before the baby can shop for food. The baby's food stamps are given to the illegal parent.

If welfare wasn't a big deal with illegals, it should be easy to make a law saying no welfare handouts whatsoever, no Medicaid to illegals including illegals who give birth here -- you can bet there would be a huge outrage in the illegal communities, even panic.
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