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Old 08-19-2011, 10:21 PM
 
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You really think someone can be on welfare for 20-30 years? I know WIC stops giving you help after the child turns 5 and the law says you can only be on welfare for a maximum of 5 years (2 years at a time, but 5 years maximum).
Yes most definitely people are on welfare their entire lives. The cash handout TANF is limited to 5 years, WIC is given for almot 6 years for each pregnancy and child, Headstart offers free meals, and the welfare crowd can expect free meals in the public schools. And SSI and SSDI have no limits on them.

El Pasoans Feast On Food Stamps - News Story - KFOX El Paso

Some excerpts - the whole article can be found at the above link:

In summary, more than 20 percent of El Pasoans use food stamps compared with only about 11 percent in Travis County and 5 in Collin County.

KFOX-14 talked to El Pasoans who said Borderland has more food stamp users than others because it is a border town.

"They want to take advantage of benefits on this side, on this side of the border," Hairo Reyes of central El Paso said. His mother, Lorenza has been using food stamps since last year.

Another El Paso woman told KFOX-14 that she has received benefits since her son was born 17 years ago.

The only Texas county with a higher concentration of food stamp users than El Paso is HIdalgo County, also along the border.
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Old 08-20-2011, 12:46 AM
 
Location: Houston, Texas
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Most don't risk their lives to come here for one. They know they will never be expected to pay a dime of their hospital and other medical bills when they have the baby, many simply come over on a shopping pass or other visitor visa before the due date, have the baby at taxpayer expense, and then it's on to the welfare office for food stamps, WIC, housing assistance.
Mexico has low-cost nationalized health care but they have co-pays that are based on a sliding scale according to their income, a physician visit plus medicine might cost them $20 but why spend $20 when they can expect it to
The illegals per se might not be on welfare handouts but their US born children are. The food stamps allotted are based on household size but are technically given to the US born baby even before the baby can shop for food. The baby's food stamps are given to the illegal parent.
If welfare wasn't a big deal with illegals, it should be easy to make a law saying no welfare handouts whatsoever, no Medicaid to illegals including illegals who give birth here -- you can bet there would be a huge outrage in the illegal communities, even panic.
Some of the things you guys say are nothing more than speculation, as you guys claim to know exactly what illegals are thinking and doing. Also, you don't think crossing the hot desert and crossing states and routes controlled by drug lords as being dangerous? Have you not seen news reports about drug cartels killing immigrants that refuse to join them? Also, I believe the law says only citizens can receive welfare if illegals are getting it than the department is not doing a very good job of keeping them out.

As for the poster who said that mostly Hispanics receive free or reduced school lunches are you implying that all Hispanic children are illegals or have illegal parents?
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Old 08-20-2011, 06:29 AM
 
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Most don't risk their lives to come here for one. They know they will never be expected to pay a dime of their hospital and other medical bills when they have the baby, many simply come over on a shopping pass or other visitor visa before the due date, have the baby at taxpayer expense, and then it's on to the welfare office for food stamps, WIC, housing assistance.

Mexico has low-cost nationalized health care but they have co-pays that are based on a sliding scale according to their income, a physician visit plus medicine might cost them $20 but why spend $20 when they can expect it to be totally free in the USA?
Yeah. They're all moving here to avoid a $20 copay. That makes sense.
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Old 08-20-2011, 06:35 AM
 
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Some of the things you guys say are nothing more than speculation, as you guys claim to know exactly what illegals are thinking and doing. Also, you don't think crossing the hot desert and crossing states and routes controlled by drug lords as being dangerous? Have you not seen news reports about drug cartels killing immigrants that refuse to join them? Also, I believe the law says only citizens can receive welfare if illegals are getting it than the department is not doing a very good job of keeping them out.

As for the poster who said that mostly Hispanics receive free or reduced school lunches are you implying that all Hispanic children are illegals or have illegal parents?
Most don't cross through the desert. Of course if they're financing their trip by smuggling in drugs, that's what they tend to do. Otherwise they can easily get a laser visa crossing card (illegal) or a perfectly legal shopping or other visitor visa and then just stay and do or go what they please.

I posted a news article link that shows how extreme food stamp use is along the border.
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Old 08-20-2011, 06:47 AM
 
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Some of the things you guys say are nothing more than speculation, as you guys claim to know exactly what illegals are thinking and doing. Also, you don't think crossing the hot desert and crossing states and routes controlled by drug lords as being dangerous? Have you not seen news reports about drug cartels killing immigrants that refuse to join them? Also, I believe the law says only citizens can receive welfare if illegals are getting it than the department is not doing a very good job of keeping them out.

As for the poster who said that mostly Hispanics receive free or reduced school lunches are you implying that all Hispanic children are illegals or have illegal parents?
I see, so when someone risks their life to commit a crime, that is honorable?

Illegals get welfare through their anchors. However, some commit fraud to get it for themselves also.

Welfare benefits go to low income families, period. Proportionately to their numbers here Hispanics collect the most welfare whether they be here legally or illegally.
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Old 08-20-2011, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Houston, Texas
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I see, so when someone risks their life to commit a crime, that is honorable?

Illegals get welfare through their anchors. However, some commit fraud to get it for themselves also.

Welfare benefits go to low income families, period. Proportionately to their numbers here Hispanics collect the most welfare whether they be here legally or illegally.
That's not what I said, I said it's not logical to risk your life for something like welfare when there's no guarantee you'll get it (in Mexican news they talk a lot about the economic crisis and job shortage in the U.S.; also about how Mexicans or Mexican cops abusing central american immigrants trying to cross over). You guys are giving these people far too much credit they probably don't even know about all the welfare programs until they arrive yet you treat them as these clever plotters and schemers.
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Old 08-20-2011, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Houston, Texas
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Most don't cross through the desert. Of course if they're financing their trip by smuggling in drugs, that's what they tend to do. Otherwise they can easily get a laser visa crossing card (illegal) or a perfectly legal shopping or other visitor visa and then just stay and do or go what they please.

I posted a news article link that shows how extreme food stamp use is along the border.
Then why do conservatives want more border protection in those types of areas if they don't use the desert? More and more they're having to cross over through treacherous areas because of the increasing security in border gates, bridges, etc. So, they are risking their lives; crossing the river is also dangerous.
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Old 08-20-2011, 04:10 PM
 
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Then why do conservatives want more border protection in those types of areas if they don't use the desert? More and more they're having to cross over through treacherous areas because of the increasing security in border gates, bridges, etc. So, they are risking their lives; crossing the river is also dangerous.
Most rational people wouldn't risk their lives in that manner just for money and greed and to also have to violate laws in order to achieve that goal.
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Old 08-21-2011, 08:52 AM
 
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Then why do conservatives want more border protection in those types of areas if they don't use the desert? More and more they're having to cross over through treacherous areas because of the increasing security in border gates, bridges, etc. So, they are risking their lives; crossing the river is also dangerous.
Because that's how the very worst illegals, the drug cartels' mules and so on are coming over. Some do use the desert and there might be somewhat more security on the bridges but they allow hordes of illegals to cross right in town through gaps and holes cut in the fence and the tunnels - all controlled by the cartels of course. For $600 you can walk through an opening in the fence right at the border but under the bridge - nothing trecherous except of course the very shady individuals you have to pay.
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Old 08-21-2011, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Most don't cross through the desert. Of course if they're financing their trip by smuggling in drugs, that's what they tend to do. Otherwise they can easily get a laser visa crossing card (illegal) or a perfectly legal shopping or other visitor visa and then just stay and do or go what they please.

I posted a news article link that shows how extreme food stamp use is along the border.
And of course high usage in an area means it is illegal aliens are involved in it...

Please identify what forms are for a ¨Shopping Visa¨, and what it is, in relation to other visa types. Is there more than one type of Visitor´s Visa? You are alluding to a few different types that I am unaware of.
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