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Unread 08-15-2011, 02:52 PM
 
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Originally Posted by rhymetime View Post
Bolded is wrong, way wrong.
OUCH!!!!!!!!

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The new text also states that police may only investigate immigration status incident to a "lawful stop, detention, or arrest"
Arizona SB 1070 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 
Unread 08-15-2011, 02:53 PM
 
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Yeah ok, go read the law. Can you even read?
Hint: how can law enforcement be sure someone has committed a crime before they contact them?
 
Unread 08-15-2011, 02:54 PM
 
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Your first part. You skipped right over the part where it says that LE has to make LAWFUL CONTACT FIRST. They can't just make contact with people they feel are suspicious, they have to actually break a law first.
This is wrong and why I purposefully used the 1st draft of the bill. They changed it a month after because it pretty much said exactly what I am saying it said and even the state realized it was not going to pass as written.

http://www.theatlanticright.com/2010...tact-concerns/

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The edits will change the language of the law’s sentence regarding “lawful contact.” The new text will read “lawful stop, detention or arrest.” I could probably fuss about “lawful stop,” but I guess “stop” has a pretty sound legal definition in most state codes.






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The second part I think you're a bit confused on as well. The citizens have a right to sue if LE IS NOT making LAWFUL CONTACT at first and just operating on suspicion alone.
No this is wrong too.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/stunning_clause_in_az_immigration_law_lets_citizen s sue for lack of enforcement.php

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In other words, Arizonans can sue government entities, state or local, if they believe those entities aren't fully enforcing the law -- including, of course, this new law itself. The government could be on the hook for penalties as high as $5000 per day.
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A person who is a legal resident of this state may bring an action in superior court to challenge any official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state that adopts or implements a policy or practice that limits or restricts the enforcement of federal immigration laws to less than the full extent permitted by federal law.
 
Unread 08-15-2011, 02:55 PM
 
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So do those babies

A) speak english

or

B) have an official USCIS-issued pardon for not knowing english?

It must be one or the other given your arguments in this thread.
I think you have lost it.

No babies speak a language yet.

I am talking about Speaking Americans. Which you knew already
 
Unread 08-15-2011, 02:57 PM
 
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This is wrong and why I purposefully used the 1st draft of the bill. They changed it a month after because it pretty much said exactly what I am saying it said and even the state realized it was not going to pass as written.

Arizona Responds to “Lawful Contact” Concerns ‹ Right Across the Atlantic

No this is wrong too.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/stunning_clause_in_az_immigration_law_lets_citizen s sue for lack of enforcement.php

From actual law:

So you were using a rough draft and trying to pass it off as the signed legislation? No wonder you are so confused.
 
Unread 08-15-2011, 02:58 PM
 
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Hint: how can law enforcement be sure someone has committed a crime before they contact them?

For real?

I didn't realize our educational system had sunk to such levels!

A traffic violation perhaps?
 
Unread 08-15-2011, 02:59 PM
 
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So you were using a rough draft and trying to pass it off as the signed legislation? No wonder you are so confused.

A rough draft lol. It was the proposal on the books until America laughed at AZ for being a racist dirt hole.

You'd think someone here telling me to "read the law" and saying things like "you obviously don't understand any of it" would catch that I was talking about the law before being rewritten but I guess not.
 
Unread 08-15-2011, 03:03 PM
 
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A rough draft lol. It was the proposal on the books until America laughed at AZ for being a racist dirt hole.

You'd think someone here telling me to "read the law" and saying things like "you obviously don't understand any of it" would catch that I was talking about the law before being rewritten but I guess not.

Is it the signed legislation????

Why would you worry about a proposal that was CHANGED? And then try to present it as fact? Credibility?
 
Unread 08-15-2011, 03:04 PM
 
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It was a fact and yes it was signed. Herp a derp. They changed it after it got multiple challenges immediately lulz.
 
Unread 08-15-2011, 03:08 PM
 
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It was a fact and yes it was signed. Herp a derp. They changed it after it got multiple challenges immediately lulz.

You really have a reading problem. Or a crediblity issue.

Is it the SIGNED LEGISLATION? If it was rewritten it is no longer an issue, DUH!

herp a derp...is that from 5th grade?
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