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Old 08-15-2011, 05:07 PM
 
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You are completely twisting her words. Sad.

He's good at that, gotta give credit where credit is due. Wonder what organizations pay for those skills.

I haven't seen any ads out from those racist T-partiers.

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Old 08-15-2011, 05:13 PM
 
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As I already said, "they have to actually break a law first" is wrong.
No, it is NOT wrong. A person must first violate a law. Then police may stop, question, and ask for ID. If the person is unable to produce ID, then, and ONLY then, may they inquire about immigration status.
 
Old 08-15-2011, 05:14 PM
 
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You are completely twisting her words. Sad.
How so?
 
Old 08-15-2011, 05:17 PM
 
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Geez, a traffic violation is against the law where I come from. Which states don't have traffic laws? When I was in MEXICO I saw people pulled over all the time. I guess it was because they looked Hispanic.
A traffic violation is "against the law". I agree with that.

But "you have to break a law first" is still wrong.

Hint: getting pulled over is not evidence that you have actually broken the law. Do you think that if I get pulled over, then later get the ticket thrown out, dismissed, or otherwise taken care of without pleading guilty to the offense that the police officer gets sanctioned or reprimanded for pulling me over despite the fact that I didn't actually break the law?
 
Old 08-15-2011, 05:20 PM
 
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A traffic violation is "against the law". I agree with that.

But "you have to break a law first" is still wrong.

Hint: getting pulled over is not evidence that you have actually broken the law. Do you think that if I get pulled over, then later get the ticket thrown out, dismissed, or otherwise taken care of without pleading guilty to the offense that the police officer gets sanctioned or reprimanded for pulling me over despite the fact that I didn't actually break the law?

Then you have the option of challenging the conviction in court just like anyone else, right?
 
Old 08-15-2011, 05:23 PM
 
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Then you have the option of challenging the conviction in court just like anyone else, right?
lol, no.

When do you think someone is "convicted" of a traffic violation, exactly?

Hint: it's not when you get the ticket.
 
Old 08-15-2011, 05:29 PM
 
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lol, no.

When do you think someone is "convicted" of a traffic violation, exactly?

Hint: it's not when you get the ticket.

HUH?????

If you sign off on the ticket you admit guilt and pay the fine. Otherwise you go to court at the time stated on the ticket and either the violation sticks or is dropped.

Can you please show me how you think it happens?
 
Old 08-15-2011, 05:38 PM
 
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HUH?????

If you sign off on the ticket you admit guilt and pay the fine. Otherwise you go to court at the time stated on the ticket and either the violation sticks or is dropped.

Can you please show me how you think it happens?
No, that isn't what happens at all. Singing the ticket is not an admission of guilt. Paying the ticket is. When you go to court you're not contesting a conviction.

This is not semantical nitpicking, this is pretty basic stuff.
 
Old 08-15-2011, 05:41 PM
 
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no, that isn't what happens at all. singing the ticket is not an admission of guilt. paying the ticket is. When you go to court you're not contesting a conviction.

This is not semantical nitpicking, this is pretty basic stuff.

link!!!!
 
Old 08-15-2011, 05:47 PM
 
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link!!!!
Is signing the ticket an admission of guilt?

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Is signing the ticket an admission of guilt?
No, it's just your acknowledgment of receipt of the notice to appear.
If that source isn't good enough for you, you can google and find literally thousands more.
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