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Old 08-16-2011, 03:13 PM
 
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This has nothing to do with this Administration Illegals have been coming even during Bush time. Probably if you check home of any Congressman you will find an illegal at his home taking care of his yard or children
DHS has prosecutor jurisdiction and they normally dont detain you unless you have a criminal record They just release you on bond and give you a court date and you can even apply for work permit and SSN

I agree that past administrations have closed their eyes as well.

The difference I see here is that they are activly seeking out those here illegally and giving them documentation to freely stay.If they aren't deporting the ones they catch than in essence they are helping them by giving them documentation.
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Old 08-16-2011, 03:27 PM
 
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I agree that past administrations have closed their eyes as well.

The difference I see here is that they are activly seeking out those here illegally and giving them documentation to freely stay.If they aren't deporting the ones they catch than in essence they are helping them by giving them documentation.
Thats not true Even illegals have right of due process Even during GOP
rule immigrants have been released US President dont make Immigration Law
US Congress does and under law they have right to be released on bail if they have no criminal record. They can only deport you on fast track if you voluntary sign deportation papers
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Old 08-16-2011, 03:31 PM
 
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Thats not true Even illegals have right of due process Even during GOP
rule immigrants have been released US President dont make Immigration Law
US Congress does and under law they have right to be released on bail if they have no criminal record. They can only deport you on fast track if you voluntary sign deportation papers
If one is found to be in this country illegally why should they be entitled to "due process"? Based on what?

They should be deported as soon as detected, with or without a criminal record based on the fact that they are here illegally, period. End of story.
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Old 08-16-2011, 03:37 PM
 
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If one is found to be in this country illegally why should they be entitled to "due process"? Based on what?

They should be deported as soon as detected, with or without a criminal record based on the fact that they are here illegally, period. End of story.
...but how would you establish that they are here illegally without due process?
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Old 08-16-2011, 03:37 PM
 
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If one is found to be in this country illegally why should they be entitled to "due process"? Based on what?

They should be deported as soon as detected, with or without a criminal record based on the fact that they are here illegally, period. End of story.
based on US Immigration law and US Supreme Court rulings
just because someone is illegal dont meant US Constitution laws dont apply to him
If you have problem with that ask US Congress or Supreme Court to change the law
Every democratic country needs checks and balances or people will be abused
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Old 08-16-2011, 03:41 PM
 
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based on US Immigration law and US Supreme Court rulings
just because someone is illegal dont meant US Constitution laws dont apply to him
If you have problem with that ask US Congress or Supreme Court to change the law
Every democratic country needs checks and balances or people will be abused
Fine and dandy. A person should be given no more that 3 days to prove they are in this country legally and if they can't then they should be deported, sounds like "due process" to me. Are you up for that change? Somehow I doubt it. According to you though it could 5-6 years and in the meantime they get permission to work here? WTH?
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Old 08-16-2011, 03:45 PM
 
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Fine and dandy. A person should be given no more that 3 days to prove they are in this country legally and if they can't then they should be deported. That sounds fair to me. Are you up for that? Somehow I doubt it.
This is United States not Saudi Arabia Next you will say people in criminal courts shd have 3 days to prove they are guilty or not
In real world in democratic countries things dont work like that
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Old 08-16-2011, 03:45 PM
 
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based on US Immigration law and US Supreme Court rulings
just because someone is illegal dont meant US Constitution laws dont apply to him
If you have problem with that ask US Congress or Supreme Court to change the law
Every democratic country needs checks and balances or people will be abused
According to the BIA:
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Until an alien who is arrested without a warrant is placed in formal proceedings by the filing of a Notice to Appear (Form I-862), the regulation at 8 C.F.R. 287.3(c) (2011) does not require immigration officers to advise the alien that he or she has a right to counsel and that any statements made during interrogation can subsequently be used against the alien.
Illegal aliens have no Constitutional protections until they are placed into formal proceedings.
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Old 08-16-2011, 03:47 PM
 
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In post number two you stated that this would lead to racial profiling.

If everyone is checked are we profiling everybody?
That's a pretty big if.
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Old 08-16-2011, 03:47 PM
 
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This is United States not Saudi Arabia Next you will say people in criminal courts shd have 3 days to prove they are guilty or not
In real world in democratic countries things dont work like that
Why? Once an American is convicted of a crime and deemed guilty they have to pay the price, don't they? Just how long should it take to prove you are here legally? Certainly not 5-6 years and in the meantime you get to work here.

Here is my "due process" so that the Constitution is followed. You get three days to prove you are here legally and are detained until then. If you can't do it in three days then out you go back to your homeland. What's unfair about that?
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