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Old 08-18-2011, 07:12 PM
 
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Please cite the case or cases you think grant(s) BRC to children born of illegal aliens.
let me make it easy for you.
Birthright citizenship in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 08-18-2011, 07:15 PM
 
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Should be asking those on here who see nothing wrong with this happening, we know who they are.
I guess some feel, that all the way around, they should also be handed the silver spoon on a silver platter too.
I am not saying there isn't a problem. I just doubt an amendment to the usc is the way to go about fixing it.
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Old 08-18-2011, 07:21 PM
 
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Have you read that link? Let me make it easier for you, read the portion called
Current controversy

Now, you are aware that wicki isn't good for much. How about a much better source. The part about Grant writing about "perpetual allegiance" doesn't even pertain to BRC, it is about expatriation, yet someone deemed it necessary to enter it into the wiki page as it is suppose to somehow magically mean something it doesn't, removes allegiance from the requirement of BRC.

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Old 08-18-2011, 07:34 PM
 
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you do wear blinders if you can't see the USC protects everyone here, legal or not. what is good for the goose is good for the gander so to say.
any right chipped away to restrict and or exempt "people" puts all of us at risk to also be "the people getting screwed"

do you want only us citizens to have full protection?
Where in any of my posts did I say that the Constitution doesn't protect everyone on our soil? However, illegal alien's rights are limited and not the same as citizen rights.

What rights are you speaking of as being chipped away and restricted? As I said, we have the right to change birthright citizenship so that at least one parent be a citizen just as other countries do. Why should illegal aliens have the right to claim our citizenship for their offspring born on our soil? It certainly was not the intent of the writer's of the 14th.
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Old 08-18-2011, 08:22 PM
 
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Where in any of my posts did I say that the Constitution doesn't protect everyone on our soil? However, illegal alien's rights are limited and not the same as citizen rights.

What rights are you speaking of as being chipped away and restricted? As I said, we have the right to change birthright citizenship so that at least one parent be a citizen just as other countries do. Why should illegal aliens have the right to claim our citizenship for their offspring born on our soil? It certainly was not the intent of the writer's of the 14th.
you don't feel that changing the 14th amendment would chip away any rights. it has the possibility, just as would any amendment restricting the right to bear arms.

I have no problem with needing one parent to be a citizen, just do it without having to amend the constitution.
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Old 08-18-2011, 08:30 PM
 
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Where in any of my posts did I say that the Constitution doesn't protect everyone on our soil? However, illegal alien's rights are limited and not the same as citizen rights.
That's cool, but we're talking about birthright citizenship. We're talking about the BABY, not the PARENTS. Someone who is born here isn't an alien, since they didn't come from somewhere else. And the constitution as it currently stands agrees with that viewpoint.

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What rights are you speaking of as being chipped away and restricted? As I said, we have the right to change birthright citizenship so that at least one parent be a citizen just as other countries do. Why should illegal aliens have the right to claim our citizenship for their offspring born on our soil? It certainly was not the intent of the writer's of the 14th.
It's funny that you act like the 14th amendment can be changed (and you're right, it can) but the 2nd can't.

And again, illegal aliens aren't the ones claiming "your" citizenship (lol @ it being YOURS, like if some mexican baby gets it you lose some of yours?).
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Old 08-18-2011, 08:31 PM
 
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you don't feel that changing the 14th amendment would chip away any rights. it has the possibility, just as would any amendment restricting the right to bear arms.

I have no problem with needing one parent to be a citizen, just do it without having to amend the constitution.
No I don't because it is about illegal foreigners, not citizens. As "Liquid Reigns" pointed out there would be no need to amend the Consitution.
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Old 08-18-2011, 08:31 PM
 
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Have you read that link? Let me make it easier for you, read the portion called
Current controversy already read it...and?

Now, you are aware that wicki isn't good for much. How about a much better source. The part about Grant writing about "perpetual allegiance" doesn't even pertain to BRC, it is about expatriation, yet someone deemed it necessary to enter it into the wiki page as it is suppose to somehow magically mean something it doesn't, removes allegiance from the requirement of BRC.
wiki is great for a fast look see. make some laws, get someone to staff and pay for it, maybe you can do something. only problem is most people don't wanna pay for it. ending birth right is an uphill battle unless you can go at it another way
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Old 08-18-2011, 08:35 PM
 
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No I don't because it is about illegal foreigners, not citizens. As "Liquid Reigns" pointed out there would be no need to amend the Consitution.

I agree there is no need to amend the constitution. we shall have to disagree that messing with the 14th amendment wouldn't have the possibilities of biting us all in the arse.
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Old 08-18-2011, 08:42 PM
 
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I agree there is no need to amend the constitution. we shall have to disagree that messing with the 14th amendment wouldn't have the possibilities of biting us all in the arse.
I'd sure like to know how since many countries have switched from the policy we have now to making it a requirement that at least one parent be a citizen. I haven't heard any stripping of other citizen rights over it their countries due to this policy change.
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