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Old 08-23-2011, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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They're prioritizing. With limited funds and time, they are deporting the worst offenders, and leaving non-violents on the back burner for later. It's not like they said they'll never ever be deported, but that dealing with them can wait.
I suppose that’s why they’re dismissing cases and issuing work permits, because they will be deported later. Right.

 
Old 08-23-2011, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Can we take the nationality out of it, to just say "illegal aliens"?...
I would, IBM, but the entire argument is centered on one group- the Mexican nationals. Our neighbors to the south.

There is a lot of hidden racism going on in this issue, and always has been. While Hispanics make up many different nationalities, our most divisive policies for many years have focused on only one- Mexico. Of course, those policies shut out all other Hispanic nationalities as well, and others from all over the world.

Racism is an ugly thing, so the people most fervent about closing the borders cover it up with other terms and phrases. Call it out for what it is, and the dispute may change.

The fact remains that the United States simply cannot afford to deport all illegal Mexican nationals now. We need them too much. President Reagan realized this over 20 years ago when he declared an amnesty, but the policies that required an amnesty as a temporary fix have never changed.
 
Old 08-23-2011, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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I would, IBM, but the entire argument is centered on one group- the Mexican nationals. Our neighbors to the south.

There is a lot of hidden racism going on in this issue, and always has been. While Hispanics make up many different nationalities, our most divisive policies for many years have focused on only one- Mexico. Of course, those policies shut out all other Hispanic nationalities as well, and others from all over the world...
As the spouse of a Mexican National that legally immigrated, I feel you need to be more specific with your terminology. I also try to correct other instances where the Mexican nationality is used (even as a definition for those not immigrating) in the same manner. Don't fall into the descriptions of your opponents.
 
Old 08-23-2011, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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I would, IBM, but the entire argument is centered on one group- the Mexican nationals. Our neighbors to the south.

There is a lot of hidden racism going on in this issue, and always has been. While Hispanics make up many different nationalities, our most divisive policies for many years have focused on only one- Mexico. Of course, those policies shut out all other Hispanic nationalities as well, and others from all over the world.

Racism is an ugly thing, so the people most fervent about closing the borders cover it up with other terms and phrases. Call it out for what it is, and the dispute may change.

The fact remains that the United States simply cannot afford to deport all illegal Mexican nationals now. We need them too much. President Reagan realized this over 20 years ago when he declared an amnesty, but the policies that required an amnesty as a temporary fix have never changed.
Oh, so the fact that the majority of illegal aliens are Mexican is irrelevant? I suppose that couldn’t possibly explain why they receive the lion’s share of attention.

And, please explain why we “need” illegal aliens. As for racism, if you actually believe opposition to illegal immigration is based on racism, then you clearly lack an understanding of racism.
 
Old 08-24-2011, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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As the spouse of a Mexican National that legally immigrated, I feel you need to be more specific with your terminology. I also try to correct other instances where the Mexican nationality is used (even as a definition for those not immigrating) in the same manner. Don't fall into the descriptions of your opponents.
You're right, IBM.
I painted with a too-broad brush. I try to think twice, post once, but I should have thought things through more closely.
Like you, I have relatives through marriage of Mexican ancestry, and I think the world of them. I have never asked them if they came with or without papers- I hope they have them now if they didn't then.

All I know is there are lots of folks from Mexico who have come here, made great contributions in everything in our society, and have benefited us much more than their native country. I want them to have the ability to to choose where they want to live, what they want to work at, and live their lives as we do without the fear of suddenly being rounded up and shipped off like cattle.

We can, and must, do better than this. The immigration system must be reformed.
 
Old 08-24-2011, 11:37 AM
 
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They're prioritizing. With limited funds and time, they are deporting the worst offenders, and leaving non-violents on the back burner for later. It's not like they said they'll never ever be deported, but that dealing with them can wait.
"Prioritizing" is just a nice little sounding word actually meaning not carrying out the duties of your Office. I'm tired of this newspeak used to make things sound different than they really are.

Those is Office are there to do a job- Do it!

Those here illegally ought to be in fear of deportation every day.
We have no need for "reform" (another cuddly sounding word) but enforcement to the letter of the Law.
 
Old 08-24-2011, 11:38 AM
 
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You're right, IBM.
I painted with a too-broad brush. I try to think twice, post once, but I should have thought things through more closely.
Like you, I have relatives through marriage of Mexican ancestry, and I think the world of them. I have never asked them if they came with or without papers- I hope they have them now if they didn't then.

All I know is there are lots of folks from Mexico who have come here, made great contributions in everything in our society, and have benefited us much more than their native country. I want them to have the ability to to choose where they want to live, what they want to work at, and live their lives as we do without the fear of suddenly being rounded up and shipped off like cattle.

We can, and must, do better than this. The immigration system must be reformed.
Contribution does not mean break the law.

We make contributions to Mexico all the time. I can't be Mexican
 
Old 08-28-2011, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Axixic, Jalisco, MX
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Contribution does not mean break the law.

We make contributions to Mexico all the time. I can't be Mexican
You can if you move to Mexico.
 
Old 08-31-2011, 05:25 AM
 
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Obama's uncle probably ends up saying that his life is in danger because he is Obama's uncle and ends up with US the tax payer paying for his welfare check, just like Obama's aunt...

Obama didn't give much to any charity before running for the presidency and that is how most socialist are...yell, scream, but keep their hands on their wallet, just give away other peoples money.

Why didn't Obama help his own family...we need change and fast and Obama gone will be the best change of the century.

I don't know why all the threads about Obama's uncle have been closed? Isn't that looking like certain threads are off limit, by certain people?

I agree with that Obama needs to either be impeached or lose fast so finally the economy can be going again....where are the people who stated in 2008 "Obama will fill up my gas tank"? Probably in line for the foodbank, getting food stamps and on welfare.
 
Old 08-31-2011, 05:27 AM
 
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I suppose that’s why they’re dismissing cases and issuing work permits, because they will be deported later. Right.
obama's uncle Onyango is due back in court Sept. 29.

it will be interesting to see how that goes. 7News has learned that in 1992 an immigration judge ordered Onyango to leave the United States, but he never did.

are we now a country of random laws followed by just some of the people?
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