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Old 09-11-2011, 07:28 AM
 
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In times of economic distress, immigrants and foreigners are always first in line to be targeted. It's happened to many nationalities in the past who are a major part of our economy now.
If Americans put half as much of their outrage into what truly caused the downturn in the economy (corporate ownership of our government), things might actually change. Instead, they have the peasants fighting amongst themselves, per usual.
It matters not whether our economy is good or bad it is still against the law to migrate here illegally. I would still feel the same in either situtation. A country must control its borders to keep population growth from swelling and for various other sane reasons and to know who is coming into our country and with what intent.

 
Old 09-11-2011, 07:53 AM
 
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Mexico's economy would be in good shape if it did or did not have poor people. Having poor people has nothing to do with GNP.

Read the statistics of how many illegals have returned to Mexico. They aren't waiting on a ticket. They are returning on their own.

Al Gore? You think Al Gore had ideas inferior to GWB? I rest my case.
Of course Mexico's economy would be in good shape without it's poor -- and of course that's why Mexico encourages them to get over to the USA and make them be our poor.

The illegals are poor not because their country is poor as it is not, it is a subclass of people who don't believe much in education, or responsibility when it comes to having children.

In Mexico the middle class people tend to finish their educations at least through secundaria, they don't start having babies at age 13 or 14, and they limit family size to what can be supported.

The lower classes have a different cultural mindset. They lack self-control and responsibility. The excuse that they have all these many children who would starve to death if the parents are deported is one big clue of that mindset. No one forced them to start having babies before they could support them and no one forced them to have them one right after another.

And of course this is why Mexico doesn't want it's lower class "diaspora" returning. But if Mexico doesn't want them then why should we?
 
Old 09-11-2011, 08:00 AM
 
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In times of economic distress, immigrants and foreigners are always first in line to be targeted. It's happened to many nationalities in the past who are a major part of our economy now.
If Americans put half as much of their outrage into what truly caused the downturn in the economy (corporate ownership of our government), things might actually change. Instead, they have the peasants fighting amongst themselves, per usual.
Go back and read again of the pro-illegal arguments before the economic distress. The elites needed their unlimited numbers of cheap servants, the housing builders needed ultra cheap roofers, electricians, dry wall installers to build the ultra cheap houses needed for the housing boom. The factory owners needed ultra cheap factory workers for those jobs that couldn't be outsourced to cheap labor nations.

According to the pro-illegal side, Americans both white and black are too lazy to work, they would rather life off unemployment handouts and welfare programs than to work for a living and so tens of millions of illegals had to be brought in.

And yes, it wasn't a handful of illegals, but over 30 million illegals taking jobs that Americans should be doing and helping to bring down wages to rock bottom with their willingess to accept the lowest pay imaginable, in part because their US born babies bring them plenty of food stamps, WIC and free government housing.

It would be difficult to separate the economic distress that came with the collapse of the housing bubble and the cheap illegals, when that bubble was all about unlimited cheap labor for that bubble, and subprime loans so that illegals with no credit history or proof of income could buy up many of those cheaply built houses.
 
Old 09-11-2011, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Axixic, Jalisco, MX
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In times of economic distress, immigrants and foreigners are always first in line to be targeted. It's happened to many nationalities in the past who are a major part of our economy now.
If Americans put half as much of their outrage into what truly caused the downturn in the economy (corporate ownership of our government), things might actually change. Instead, they have the peasants fighting amongst themselves, per usual.
It worked for Hitler, don't blame the real reasons, blame those guys over there.
 
Old 09-11-2011, 08:15 AM
 
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It worked for Hitler, don't blame the real reasons, blame those guys over there.
You live in Mexico and are insisting it's as bad as being sent to a gas chamber?

No, returning people to their own countries is not what Hitler did. Not by a long shot and it's sick that you would so trivialize what Hitler did.
 
Old 09-11-2011, 08:24 AM
 
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Or do some elitists live in Mexico because they love all those ultra cheap servants, I saw somewhere where someone was comparing living costs and in Mexico, one can live like a queen, being waited on hand and foot with the cheapest possible servants, cleaning the over 3,000 foot elegant apartment so for the elitists who love their cheap labor, Mexico is a dream country, but for those ultra cheap very low paid - something like $4 USD per day servants it's just like a Nazi concentration camp?

Maybe this isn't what we should want for the USA. There was nothing like having a strong middle class and decent wages even for housekeepers.
 
Old 09-11-2011, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Axixic, Jalisco, MX
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You live in Mexico and are insisting it's as bad as being sent to a gas chamber?

No, returning people to their own countries is not what Hitler did. Not by a long shot and it's sick that you would so trivialize what Hitler did.
I didn't write what Hitler did to the people he turned his countrymen against. I wrote that the told people to blame certain groups for the ills of the country. Extreme emotionalism.

You go to extremes with everything. Now it seems that I am the target for all your woes. You write that I am wrong that Austin was given a grant by Mexico when in fact he was, and not by Spain, as well as many other of your fallacious corrections. I don't care for extremism, which you read into everything, or dealing with people who have a chip on their shoulders. I think I will ignore your posts.
 
Old 09-11-2011, 10:02 AM
 
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In times of economic distress, immigrants and foreigners are always first in line to be targeted. It's happened to many nationalities in the past who are a major part of our economy now.
If Americans put half as much of their outrage into what truly caused the downturn in the economy (corporate ownership of our government), things might actually change. Instead, they have the peasants fighting amongst themselves, per usual.
I don't believe any one was complaining when illegal's were just here as seasonal farm labor. Now that they are coming here for American tax payers to pay for the birth of their children. Now those children have rights to all the freebies that the government gives out, at the American people's expense.

Must we remind you it's all illegal people not just the Mexicans that we are asking to not come here and free load on the people. If they come to America, America has a culture and a way of living that is common to our citizens and we like it that way!!
 
Old 09-11-2011, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Axixic, Jalisco, MX
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I don't believe any one was complaining when illegal's were just here as seasonal farm labor. Now that they are coming here for American tax payers to pay for the birth of their children. Now those children have rights to all the freebies that the government gives out, at the American people's expense.

Must we remind you it's all illegal people not just the Mexicans that we are asking to not come here and free load on the people. If they come to America, America has a culture and a way of living that is common to our citizens and we like it that way!!
Right. Just ask these people

 
Old 09-11-2011, 03:21 PM
 
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Must we remind you it's all illegal people not just the Mexicans that we are asking to not come here and free load on the people. If they come to America, America has a culture and a way of living that is common to our citizens and we like it that way!!
Would you care to flesh out what this "common culture" is?
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