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Old 08-19-2011, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Pleasant Ridge, Cincinnati, OH
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Originally Posted by flash3780 View Post
So, if being jewish were made illegal, and a president refused to round up jews and put them in prisons because of their religion... he should be impeached?

Laws can be (and often are) wrong. Immigration laws in the United States are wrong. Non-violent people shouldn't be imprisoned, and people shouldn't have to navigate a ridiculous bureaucracy to come here.
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Originally Posted by All American NYC View Post
OBAMA cannot bypass congress who rejected amnesty many times.

Obama is not above the law but beneath it.

We have a law on the books already.
So then, your answer is yes? If being Jewish is made illegal by the Congress, and a President refuses to enforce that law, he should be impeached?

 
Old 08-19-2011, 01:11 PM
 
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Interesting that you think Mexicans are inherently unskilled... or that you'd even bring them up... I thought race wasn't an issue in this discussion.
The Mexicans who come here to work illegally are unskilled workers, period.
 
Old 08-19-2011, 01:13 PM
 
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What do you imagine happens when ICE agents burst into someone's house and arrest them? They put them up at the Marriott? Of course not, they're put in cages until they can be shipped to Mexico... or wherever... you know... like cattle.

That's not my problem.
Don't sneak in here illegally if you don't want to risk ICE sweeping in and detaining you in a cage.

Cry me a river.
 
Old 08-19-2011, 01:17 PM
 
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That's not my problem.
Don't sneak in here illegally if you don't want to risk ICE sweeping in and detaining you in a cage.

Cry me a river.
So in your opinion, as long as you give people a warning, you can morally do whatever you want to them?

"don't let the sun go down on you in this town" is an A-OK policy in your book, right? I mean, they were warned! They took the risk!
 
Old 08-19-2011, 01:34 PM
 
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So, what is the right population density for the United States, then? I assume that you feel that the central planners are fit to determine this number? This central planning argument for limiting population in the United States is socialist BS. A country built on the ideals of individual liberty should reject the idea that there is some "right number" of individuals as determined by their government.

Since you mentioned it, yes, I have a problem with the thousands of non-violent "criminals" who are put in cages by government agents with guns in the United States. I do think that the country would be wealthier if the people who'd committed non-violent "crimes" were allowed to be productive members of society, rather than locked up.
You raised the idea of more people is better so I expanded that to its extreme limit. I have no opinion on what density is ideal for this country, but it will inevitably go up as the world population increases. What I do have an opinion on is letting people who break the law to get here stay here. I'm with you on our prison population though. I don't think we need to lock-up nonviolent offenders. But illegal aliens need to be detained or they'll flee. That's what's different about them and our typical non-violent offender. This is not their country. We need to send them back. They can be productive in THEIR country. I hold nothing against them whoever they are, but they cannot come here and claim right to our freedoms by breaking the law. I live in a border state by the way.
 
Old 08-19-2011, 01:39 PM
 
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Originally Posted by TempesT68 View Post
If that is your view, then Reagan, W, McCain,..etc should all have been thrown out off their positions for passing, and/or trying to pass blanket amnesty. Also there is an open thread on this topic in the illegal immigration forum.
Trying to pass blanket amensty and actually doing it as Obama just did is two different things. Reagan to my knowledge did not grant amnesty without congresses approval. McCain tried to pass an amensty but again it went through congress and didn't make it. Learn to know the difference between going through congress and playing dictator and bypassing congress.
 
Old 08-19-2011, 01:50 PM
 
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Wow. The Right is now pissed off at Obama for organizing and streamlining the backlog of deportation cases so that more people - and first and foremost the worse people - will be deported quicker?

Deportations have increased under Obama compared to the previous administration.
The right? Uh no, most Americas are po'd at this. It is nothing short of blanket amensty. Our government could deport most "all" illegal aliens in a short time and they should but they lack the will.
 
Old 08-19-2011, 01:54 PM
 
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Originally Posted by KickAssArmyChick View Post
Do you live under a rock?

Federal Law states that ALL Illegal Aliens are to be prosecuted and deported.. Yet Obama and this administration are only picking and choosing which ones they want to prosecute and/or deport.

If that is not above the law, I don't know what is.
If you study Immigration Law Secretary of INS, now DHS has the authority
to provide relief to illegal immigrants. Not all illegal immigrant are deportable
due to conditions in their home country and DHS Secretary has authority to provide Administrative Relief to aliens
 
Old 08-19-2011, 01:55 PM
 
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That's what I was thinking... if I have limited resource, I'd prioritize and deport the worst rather than just take it FIFO.
There's still deportations... and I'm guessing as many as would be done if the took the cases first in first out, but now they're deporting the worst.
It isn't due to limited resources. Obama is just pandering for the Hispanic vote since he knows he has lost his just about everyone else. The DHS has actually said that it is cheaper to deport them than to allow them to remain here so having limited resources doesn't make any sense.

DHS confirms cheaper to deport every illegal alien than allowing them to stay - National Immigration Reform | Examiner.com
 
Old 08-19-2011, 02:04 PM
 
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Then Ronald Reagan was guilty of treason because he went all the way and game them amnesty.
Wrong!
The Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA), Pub.L. 99-603, 100 Stat. 3359, enacted November 6, 1986, also Simpson-Mazzoli Act, is an Act of Congress which reformed United States immigration law.

It was an act of congress. He did not act on his own as Obama did.
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