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Old 08-15-2007, 04:42 AM
 
Location: VA
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Ever notice how the Open Border Lobby does a great job at confusing the average American about Immigration. They always link the LEGAL Immigrant with the Illegal Aliens. They call them all part of the IMMIGRANT Community.

Illegal Aliens become Undocumented Workers. (The word "WORKERS" is used to give a warm a fuzzy feel. ) The Word UNDOCUMENTED is used to confuse people giving the people the impression that the people are just like a real immigrant but just forgot their form. Then they say the arrest of Undocumented Workers scares the IMMIGRANT Community. The Illegal Alien is now a part of the whole Immigrant community. So America is harassing Immigrants. We are all told we are Immigrants, so it is like we are being harassed ourselves.

Are the Open Border people genius in the PR game?
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Old 08-15-2007, 10:38 AM
 
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Default yep

There are people that still trust our government, even if they contradict the very laws that they created. If it didnt work for them they wouldnt keep getting elected. More people are waking up though....

What about undocumented gang bangger, murder, theif ect....Never mind they are working cheaper than us and thats all that counts. Maybe all the American murders in jail should under bid the illegals and get released!

$$$$$ is the new GOD to our government
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Old 08-15-2007, 11:53 AM
 
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Default Wake Up America

You are right how much longer are we going to let illegals kill, rape and terroize our country? 3 good kids killed in N.J., a girl raped and killed in Oregon, 2 teenage girls killed by a drunk driver. Where is the outrage from M.A.D.D. as this is an epidemic of deaths by drunken illegals?
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Old 08-15-2007, 12:06 PM
 
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Yes, it's sad, very sad. Pro Illegal immigration groups are out of control. Most of them are law firms and immigration firms and greedy companies hiding behind a few core extremist groups. But the truth is illegal immigration is big business for them. Calling illegal aliens "undocumented" is just an attempt to hide the fact that illegal immigrants are here illegally.
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Old 08-15-2007, 12:26 PM
 
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Default A brave new world if S.F.

Now the city of San Fransinful wants tell you what you can say and can't say about illegals in the country.






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San Francisco fails in attack on Savage
Single vote halts resolution condemning 'hate speech'

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Posted: August 14, 2007
9:56 p.m. Eastern



© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com



San Francisco Supervisor Ed Jew

A single vote by a San Francisco Board of Supervisors member whose grandfather emigrated from China seven decades ago has halted in its tracks a proposal to condemn as "hate speech" radio personality Michael Savage's criticism of illegal aliens in the United States.

The vote tonight was 9-1, with third generation San Franciscan Ed Jew turning in the veto vote, after getting up and affirming Savage's First Amendment right to express his opinion.

Supervisor Gerardo Sandoval had introduced a resolution condemning the radio talker. After the vote, he called for the tally to be rescinded and the proposal sent to committee, which essentially is a polite way of letting the issue die.

"For the record, I do not agree with comments allegedly made by Mr. Savage, but the First Amendment gives him the right to make those comments," Jew said.

(Story continues below)

Last edited by Yac; 08-16-2007 at 09:59 AM.. Reason: quote shortened, copyright protection. Provide a link to the article
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Old 08-15-2007, 01:27 PM
 
Location: In an illegal immigrant free part of the country.
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You have to love how the free speech ranters are the only one's that try to limit free speech. It seems liberal = mental health dissorder
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Old 08-15-2007, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Bike to Surf!
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It might be hateful speech, but it is protected by the Bill of Rights so long as he's not calling any specific group to illegal action.

Makes these message boards seem downright civil.

I don't understand why so many people feel the need to try to pass official resolutions against imbicile talk-show hosts like Savage and Limbaugh. It's not like listening to them made their audience into fools. Their audience were already the way they are. These creeps are just the mouthpiece of a vocal minority who want to maintain the status quo instead of reforming the immigration system.
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Old 08-15-2007, 05:19 PM
 
Location: In an illegal immigrant free part of the country.
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I have never heard Savage and Limbaugh but if they have nothing to say about the Daily Koz they should keep their mouths shut.
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Old 08-15-2007, 10:34 PM
 
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sponger: Why does the immigration system have to be reformed? In what way? And to what end? My feeling is that it just needs to be enforced.
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Old 08-16-2007, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Bike to Surf!
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sponger: Why does the immigration system have to be reformed? In what way? And to what end? My feeling is that it just needs to be enforced.
I think it needs to be reasonable to be enforced. There is no way to immigrate to the US from some countries unless your employer transfers you or you have family already in the US. I don't like the family-based immigration system.

The reforms I think are needed:

1. The borders must be sealed and it should be next to impossible to cross without inspection.

2. Legal immigration quotas need to be raised (say to 0.5% of the total population per year), they need to be tied to employment (you must hold down a job, pay taxes, and keep your family above the poverty level to get/keep a visa), and the quota should decrease as unemployment levels increase. Background checks and drug tests would also be required. One head of household can sponsor their IR's (Immediate relatives; spouse, and children under the age of 21) but no one else. No parents, brothers, or sisters. Allowing some immigration and sealing the border would force most potential border-crossers into line to be documented and immigrate legally.

3. Illegal immigrants already in the country and gainfully employed should be able to apply for a visa leading to an eventual green card. They should have to pay a fine and back taxes. Just like the regular visas, they'll have to prove the ability to hold a job, pay taxes, and keep their family above the poverty level, plus the background checks and drug tests. This would allow them to organize and demand at least the minimum wage and benefits, making them no cheaper for businesses to hire than US Citizens.

4. Extended family immigration (brothers and sisters of citizens/residents) should be abolished. If you want your extended family to join you, find them a job and have them apply for the work-based visas.

5. Anyone without a visa should be deported. Since it would now possible to get one outside or inside the country if you have a clean criminal record and can hold down a job, the remainder would be the criminals and social leeches. The visa/immigration reform/amnesty program would screen out millions of working families who are contributing to society and make it much easier for ICE to go after the real bad guys.

I'm pretty sure someone will disagree with my suggestions, but rather than make generalizations, could you address the specifics and point out the negative impacts of them? I have yet to hear any real reasonable arguments against this plan.
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