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Old 08-25-2011, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Huh, I would have thought a connotation of someone "desperately trying to gain citizenship for his family through our legal process" would be something else entirely. I just want to be entirely clear, there's still some mix-ups on gender and statements going around. Hopefully Yac's guidance about not bringing race needlessly into the discussion will also get us all back on track too.
I’m not involved in whatever gender or race issues you may have. But, we’ll have to continue this discussion later, because my team (Redskins) are playing. Go Skins!

 
Old 08-25-2011, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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...But, we’ll have to continue this discussion later, because my team (Redskins) are playing. Go Skins!
You´re baiting the discussion with skin color?...
 
Old 08-25-2011, 08:05 PM
 
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I really don’t care whether the incidence of illegal alien pedophilia is equal to, greater, or less than the general population. The point being, whatever the rate, it does not mitigate the damage. Nor does it excuse or justify their behavior. They shouldn’t be here, period.
Nobody is saying that it mitigates the damage OR justifies the behavior.

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I loathe pedophiles
OK, awesome, glad we got that out of the way, since nobody was suggesting anything to the contrary.

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An arbitrary distinction? Please explain. And, also please explain which laws could be changed. I certainly hope you don’t think our laws will change for black citizens. If you do, dream on, not happening.
No, I do not think that laws will be changed for black citizens anytime soon. I certainly hope that they won't.

The point is that we're having a normative discussion here. What the current set of laws happen to be is not particularly relevant. Any and all laws are subject to change; certainly at one point in US history blacks (even those born in the US) had fewer legal rights than illegal aliens do now, which just shows you how the laws can be changed.

Let's pretend that there are no laws and you get to make them up from scratch. Nobody has any rights until you give them out.

Now, let's talk about the group of people that is currently called "illegal aliens." Hey, who are we kidding, everyone on both sides knows the vast majority of these people are hispanic, right, so let's just say "hispanics born outside the US." Now, given that this group includes countless perverts, are you going to exclude them all? Note, they're not illegal in this pretend scenario unless you decide to make them illegal.

Now, the group of black people also includes countless perverts. Are you going to make them legal or illegal?

Now, the group of white people also includes countless perverts. Legal or illegal?

Remember, you said earlier that if it saves ONE CHILD it will be worth it.
 
Old 08-25-2011, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Pa
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In the military we call would have could have should haves a blivit. 10 pounds of bs in a 5 pound sack.
The problem with pretend scenarios is that reality is lost to fantasy.
Well lets pretend I was president of the USA.
Lets further pretend that I had the power to change the constitution at will.
I would have every violent criminal in jail executed.
I would have every corrupt cop in prison or later captured placed in general population.
I would raise the standards for non-sponsored immigration. What fields are we lacking what skills need to be supplemented and that would dictate non-sponsored immigration.
For sponsored immigration. Police background checks and health screening collect your VISA at the embassy.
On the border. I would supplement our border patrol with troops stationed stateside. 3 month rotation.
Remember this is an imaginary world.
Illegals caught inside our country would have all assets seized to offset the cost of deportation.
Employers caught knowingly hiring illegals would face prison time and hefty fines.
Land lords caught renting to illegals would face the same.
Illegals would be allowed to self deport no penalty.
Illegals who are caught committing violent crimes or sex crimes would face the maximum penalty.

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Old 08-25-2011, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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In the military we call would have could have should haves a blivit. 10 pounds of bs in a 5 pound sack.
The problem with pretend scenarios is that reality is lost to fantacy.
Well lets pretend I was president of the USA.
Lets further pretend that I had the power to change the constituion at will.
I would have every violent criminal in jail executed.
I would have every corrupt cop in prison or later captured placed in general population.
I would raise the standards for non-sponsored immigration. What fields are we lacking what skills need to be supplemented and that would dictate non-sponsored immigration.
For sponsored immigration. Police background checks and health screening collect your VISA at the embassy.
On the border. I would supplement our border patrol with troops stationed stateside. 3 month rotation.
Remember this is an imaginary world.
Illegals caught inside our country would have all assets siezed to offset the cost of deportation.
Employers caught knowingly hireing illegals would face prison time and hefty fines.
Land lords caught renting to illegals would face the same.
Illegals would be allowed to self deport no penalty.
Illegals who are caught committing violent crimes or sex crimes would face the maximum penalty.
¨Caught committing¨? You described the ¨maximum penalty¨ as death above. Weee, this is as much fun as seeing the discussion about creating a ¨community¨ a week back.
 
Old 08-25-2011, 08:47 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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More witch hunting. We found one bad apple, therefore we need to get tough on all of them. But will jewel apply this reasoning to "real" Americans?

Double standards, the hallmark of bigotry.

Yep one bad apple spoils the whole dang bunch? who by the way should not be here anyway should they. They are only here for their own benefit and to help get their life on track, Ha? it is all a crock.

Just like the illegal woman in O.C. Calif who threw her baby off of a parking structure, baby died this morning, she was here so the baby could have a better life right! so this life of this tiny infant was tossed out like trash and onto the ground nice ha? She killed her own baby, is that part of the plan of illegal Mother's too.

You know what that one bad apple is one too many, that should not be in this Country, have a problem take it up within your own Country.
Dang straight about friggin time, we need to get tough on every last one of them. Mexico does not have our back, give me a freaking break.

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Old 08-25-2011, 08:58 PM
 
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Yep one bad apple spoils the whole dang bunch? who by the way should not be here anyway should they. They are only here for their own benefit and to help get their life on track, Ha? it is all a crock.

Just like the illegal woman in O.C. Calif who threw her baby off of a parking structure, baby died this morning, she was here so the baby could have a better life right! so this life of this tiny infant was tossed out like trash and onto the ground nice ha? SHE killed her own baby, is that part of the plan of illegal Mother's too.


You know what that one bad apple is one too many, that should not be in this Country, have a problem take it up within your own Country.
Dang straight about friggin time, we need to get tough on every last one of them. Mexico does not have our back, give me a freaking break.

Most curious use of the English language. Ironic you would type out responses that way considering the way you all harp on illegals to learn English.

The lady who threw her kid off a ledge was mentally ill. Now we are suggesting they are all messed up in the head like that lady?
 
Old 08-25-2011, 09:13 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Most curious use of the English language. Ironic you would type out responses that way considering the way you all harp on illegals to learn English.

The lady who threw her kid off a ledge was mentally ill. Now we are suggesting they are all messed up in the head like that lady?
I don't have time for you.

What i have time for is those the live in the E.C. please be safe and hunker down. To my friends and family in the E.C. please be safe, and watch out for the little ones, and the older ones. We will be thinking of all of you.

And i don't care why she is here if she is mental she should of stayed in her own Country. Sorry when it comes to illegals most people i know and are acquainted with do not want them here, you do, why don't you take them all in.
 
Old 08-25-2011, 09:16 PM
 
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Sorry when it comes to illegals most people i know and are acquainted with do not want them here, you do, why don't you take them all in.
Why don't you take a picture of all the illegals in your house right now. Then post the pic on here and we'll talk about sending them over to my house.
 
Old 08-25-2011, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Pa
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¨Caught committing¨? You described the ¨maximum penalty¨ as death above. Weee, this is as much fun as seeing the discussion about creating a ¨community¨ a week back.
Such is the problem with make believe fantasy discussions.
Well if we made them all legal then......
Well if it wasn't against the law then......
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