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Old 08-28-2011, 08:28 AM
 
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Yeah well most aren't abusing the system as it is now. They are trying to work. So as I said yesterday, about 2/3 of the 12-30 million people don't fit into your little stereotype about the poor illegals. We could also just not allow welfare handouts to people if that is your real issue here.
Every illegal here is abusing the system. Every illegal is committing fraud, working without a work permit, breaking immigration laws, violating their visa terms, and the majority rely on welfare handouts such as Medicaid or other government provided healthcare. That's why they have an illegal status and that's why they can take the lowest paying jobs yet have the largest families.

Some abuse it less, some abuse it more. Yes there are illegals who didn't happen yet to need hospital care, they accept jobs without job benefits like health insurance or workman's comp because they count on getting free health care if they were to need it, they have no intention of paying their hospital and health care bills. They haven't yet had children but once they do, they are always happy with their new food stamp cards and WIC.

 
Old 08-28-2011, 08:42 AM
 
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Every illegal here is abusing the system. Every illegal is committing fraud, working without a work permit, breaking immigration laws, violating their visa terms, and the majority rely on welfare handouts such as Medicaid or other government provided healthcare. That's why they have an illegal status and that's why they can take the lowest paying jobs yet have the largest families.

Some abuse it less, some abuse it more. Yes there are illegals who didn't happen yet to need hospital care, they accept jobs without job benefits like health insurance or workman's comp because they count on getting free health care if they were to need it, they have no intention of paying their hospital and health care bills. They haven't yet had children but once they do, they are always happy with their new food stamp cards and WIC.

The first bolded isn't true as I've already stated in this thread. Roughly 1/3 of all illegals use some sort of welfare, that's no where near a majority.

The second bolded is again false since 43% of the ones with kids AREN'T EVEN USING ANY WELFARE. These figures are according to Benicar's links.

I'm pretty sure there is a term for someone who constantly says false things about a group despite facts and reality showing otherwise.
 
Old 08-28-2011, 08:42 AM
 
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I've mentioned here before that it'd be pretty easy to offer citizenship with the qualifier that you would be ineligible for programs X, Y, and Z. Surprise - no one here supported it, even though it directly addresses their biggest complaint.
 
Old 08-28-2011, 08:48 AM
 
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The first bolded isn't true as I've already stated in this thread. Roughly 1/3 of all illegals use some sort of welfare, that's no where near a majority.

The second bolded is again false since 43% of the ones with kids AREN'T EVEN USING ANY WELFARE. These figures are according to Benicar's links.

I'm pretty sure there is a term for someone who constantly says false things about a group despite facts and reality showing otherwise.
Because the 2/3 haven't had a baby YET, or are unmarried males that aren't supporting those 1/3 that have given birth to their kids.

I know not all illegals are on welfare, but all illegals count on having free health care if they should need it. Virtually all illegal women with children here are using welfare programs, and because virtually all illegal men who fathered those children are not supporting their families.

1/3 is a lot don't you think? Considering that the majority of that group are the women cranking out babies they cannot support - and obviously don't have a father for those kids who supports them either.
 
Old 08-28-2011, 08:53 AM
 
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Because the 2/3 haven't had a baby YET, or are unmarried males that aren't supporting those 1/3 that have given birth to their kids.

I know not all illegals are on welfare, but all illegals count on having free health care if they should need it. Virtually all illegal women with children here are using welfare programs, and because virtually all illegal men who fathered those children are not supporting their families.

1/3 is a lot don't you think? Considering that the majority of that group are the women cranking out babies they cannot support - and obviously don't have a father for those kids who supports them either.
If 57% is "virtually all". That's from a CIS study too so it might not even be that high.
 
Old 08-28-2011, 09:00 AM
 
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If 57% is "virtually all". That's from a CIS study too so it might not even be that high.
Not all illegals are women. Not all illegal women have yet given birth. Another portion are too elderly to give birth or may not be physically capable of giving birth for other reasons. Giving birth is the way illegals access the many welfare handout programs.

Over half of illegals here are males, not sure why but maybe they climb fences better. Males don't easily get onto the welfare programs directly.

So a whole third of illegals to be directly getting welfare, that's a lot of welfare and illegals on welfare. Since fewer than 1/2 of illegals are women in the first place and not all that less than 1/2 has yet given birth, the fact that 1/3 of illegals are getting welfare handouts says a lot.

No one is claiming that the 25 year old males or even 50 year old males pouring over the border head right to a welfare office. They cannot give birth, but obviously they can shack up with one who has given birth and benefit quite nicely with the free place to live and can eat the food bought with food stamps.
 
Old 08-28-2011, 09:07 AM
 
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Yeah, I'm not answering "Do mexicans play football?" If you think this somehow gives you a "victory" on a technicality, then good for you, enjoy telling yourself that you're a master debater.

handwaving away inconsistencies isn't a "catch phrase". It's an accurate description of your behavior. And you whining about this is doubly hilarious since you've now stooped to pointing out misspellings.

So, let's examine the questions that have been ignored here.

You've ignored "why is this double standard appropriate?" And note, you're no longer just defending malamute here, you've personally stated this position as your own by replying "true" to both of these:



I've ignored: "Do mexicans play football?" no kidding
You want to debate CONTENT? Then DO IT. Quit crying about your "do mexicans play football?" question (is that your idea of "debating content"?) and answer the question about double standards.

I'm waiting.

American breaks a law: he doesn't respect that one law.True

Immigrant breaks a law: he doesn't respect ANY laws.True

Here you go.

American breaks a law: he doesn't respect that one law. If an American breaks a speeding law, it has nothing to do with any other law because he is a legal citizen.

Immigrant breaks a law: he doesn't respect ANY laws. Because when a 'Criminal Illegal Alien' breaks a law it is at least the second law he has broken. If it's while driving even more. Almost Everything he does is illegal.
 
Old 08-28-2011, 09:10 AM
 
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Immigrant breaks a law: he doesn't respect ANY laws.

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Every illegal here is abusing the system. Every illegal is committing fraud, working without a work permit, breaking immigration laws, violating their visa terms, and the majority rely on welfare handouts such as Medicaid or other government provided healthcare. That's why they have an illegal status and that's why they can take the lowest paying jobs yet have the largest families.

Some abuse it less, some abuse it more. Yes there are illegals who didn't happen yet to need hospital care, they accept jobs without job benefits like health insurance or workman's comp because they count on getting free health care if they were to need it, they have no intention of paying their hospital and health care bills. They haven't yet had children but once they do, they are always happy with their new food stamp cards and WIC.

Actually Malamute answered that question way better than I did.
 
Old 08-28-2011, 09:11 AM
 
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Not all illegals are women. Not all illegal women have yet given birth. Another portion are too elderly to give birth or may not be physically capable of giving birth for other reasons. Giving birth is the way illegals access the many welfare handout programs.

Over half of illegals here are males, not sure why but maybe they climb fences better. Males don't easily get onto the welfare programs directly.

LOL. The bolded once again directly contradicts your guys whole theory and rhetoric that they come here to leech welfare.

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Originally Posted by malamute
So a whole third of illegals to be directly getting welfare, that's a lot of welfare and illegals on welfare. Since fewer than 1/2 of illegals are women in the first place and not all that less than 1/2 has yet given birth, the fact that 1/3 of illegals are getting welfare handouts says a lot.
57% of the women with children use welfare. I already said this. I don't even understand what your math is supposed to show. You are right though, it does say alot.....about the stereotypes and misinformation you keep repeating despite knowing the facts.

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No one is claiming that the 25 year old males or even 50 year old males pouring over the border head right to a welfare office. They cannot give birth, but obviously they can shack up with one who has given birth and benefit quite nicely with the free place to live and can eat the food bought with food stamps.
Yeah I get it, even if they aren't "on" welfare, they are such dishonest and immoral people they will shack up with women (who are apparently all single) just to abuse the welfare they are receiving. mhmmmmm.
 
Old 08-28-2011, 09:59 AM
 
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That's a topic of the political forum, totally unrelated to illegals getting government handouts and taxpayer provided benefits.
Dodging the question noted.
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