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Old 08-28-2011, 04:02 PM
 
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Who said I oppose all welfare laws and zoning laws etc? And who says that, if I do, I'm not working to end them?

The ULTRA CHEAP (normal low wages, by and large) labor arrives here because capital insists. As I have said, I'd endorse a system where, with some basic considerations, amnesty is granted along with a rapid path to citizenship in exchange for the immigrant waiving any right to certain entitlements. Not surprisingly, no one here liked that idea.

The cheap labor is cheap because the work is unskilled. Citizens can work below minimum wage and get welfare, too, you know. This isn't some function of immigration.

The cheap labor is cheap because illegals undercut citizens by not paying taxes. This brings the wages down for everyone by an influx of laborers.

I like how you state that it would be fine that they had to waive CERTAIN entitlements then in your next paragraph go on to give your general OK to people using welfare. Who pays for that welfare?
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Old 08-28-2011, 04:05 PM
 
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The cheap labor is cheap because illegals undercut citizens by not paying taxes. This brings the wages down for everyone by an influx of laborers.
Actually most do pay taxes. The labor is cheap because it's unskilled and they are willing to work for little. There's not much more to it.

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I like how you state that it would be fine that they had to waive CERTAIN entitlements then in your next paragraph go on to give your general OK to people using welfare.
How is this at all contradictory?
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Old 08-28-2011, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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... If the government is supplying illegal immigrants with welfare unjustly, that sounds like the government's problem. Now you're trying to impose costs on businessmen who simply want to do with their money what they please. Just like you do.
NO! It is not "the government's problem." It is the taxpayers' problem caused by the government's being involved in areas it should not be.

Welfare should be on a local level. One size fits all has never worked and never will. This kind of government has caused far more problems than it has ever solved. Stick to the Constitution which severely limits the jurisdiction of the Federal Government. The Federal Government has absolutely no business dealing with welfare. Illegal aliens are criminals since they broke the law to sneak into this country. The 14th Amendment addresses the slaves, not illegal aliens. That's a crappy "spin" job trying to interpret it any different. Geez! Can't we just get back to basics and quite the political/lawyer spin crap?
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Old 08-28-2011, 09:54 PM
 
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Employers aren't obligated by law to supply enough money to anyone - legal or illegal - that they won't require government services. I believe you're aware of this, so I'm not sure what you are saying.

Yes, if you provide for like 80% of someone's income, and the government provides the rest, you are in fact providing very direct support.
My guess is that welfare, food stamps, housing, utilities, and a free cell phone easily adds up to 80% of their income, and that isn't counting medical, and education, along with free breakfast and lunch at school, for however many children they have.
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Old 08-28-2011, 10:03 PM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Actually most do pay taxes. The labor is cheap because it's unskilled and they are willing to work for little. There's not much more to it.
Other than you saying so, have you any facts that "actually most do pay taxes"?
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Old 08-28-2011, 10:10 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Very true. That has been the exact policy of this administration and the previous one for sure.

No wonder our economy is fast headed south. It's pretty much "come one, come all for a great life of food stamps, free health care, jobs if you want them". Once here even if they have zero job skills and work ethic, they are not allowed to fail.
Pretty sad isn't it. It's almost as if the Govenment sees to it that they cannot fail, ironic is it not.
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Old 08-28-2011, 10:31 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Other than you saying so, have you any facts that "actually most do pay taxes"?
Oh, he believes the SSA and IRS estimates based on zero verifiable data. We all know there is nothing on a W-2 to indicate one’s immigration status. Nor is there a special “Illegal Alien” 1040. Not to mention the government claims they don’t know who they are, or where they work. So, how on earth can they know what percentage of illegals pay taxes?
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Old 08-28-2011, 10:34 PM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Pretty sad isn't it. It's almost as if the Govenment sees to it that they cannot fail, ironic is it not.
How true. And all the while "our" government works to see to it the citizens do fail.
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Old 08-28-2011, 11:26 PM
 
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Yes I do generally oppose welfare. But certainly if I'm going to be against welfare for my fellow Americans, I'm going to be against it for foreigners pouring over the borders to get in on it.
So why do you care about immigrants at all? Why not just spend all your time on the internet complaining about welfare?
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Old 08-28-2011, 11:36 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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...Nor is there a special “Illegal Alien” 1040...
It can be the 1040NR: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1040nr.pdf
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