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Old 08-29-2011, 06:40 AM
 
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Driving without a license is a crime, driving an unregistered vehicle is a crime,
How she paid taxes with no ssn# is a mystery unless it was a stolen or fraudulent ID.
She is clearly a criminal.
The next question is who did she hire? Other illegals? I believe this is would also be a crime.
The system obviously forces these extra crimes on anyone who is here illegally. Do you really think they'd choose to steal SSNs if they could be legally granted temporary status? Obviously not.

And, of course, I have no problem admitting that I'm a criminal in the literal sense, just as most people are. I'm also highly productive, and it speaks basically nothing as to my character or economic value.
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Old 08-29-2011, 06:57 AM
 
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Mrs. Vizguerra has been here 14 years yet has never bothered to learn English (I have seen her interviewed on the news and she had to have an interpreter.) She states she pays taxes on her business and her jobs, but how did she get a business license if she is undocumented? Whose tax id number and SSN is she using? I wonder how many of her 12 employees are also illegals?

She has 3 anchor babies. The three "low-paying jobs" she holds are jobs that are now not available to legal citizens. She was arrested in the first place for driving without a license in an unregistered vehicle.

I am sure she is a perfectly nice lady, but she has broken more than one law, and continues to do so with no remorse. She took the chance of being deported when she chose to come here illegally in the first place. If she chooses to break-up her family if she is, in fact, deported, that is also her choice. There is nothing to stop her from taking her husband and anchor babies back to Mexico City with her.


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She is an illegal.

How much falsification we need?

She knew she broke our immigration law and was here unlawfully.

Deport her.
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Old 08-29-2011, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Pa
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The system obviously forces these extra crimes on anyone who is here illegally. Do you really think they'd choose to steal SSNs if they could be legally granted temporary status? Obviously not.

And, of course, I have no problem admitting that I'm a criminal in the literal sense, just as most people are. I'm also highly productive, and it speaks basically nothing as to my character or economic value.
Back to the excuse its not their fault we have minimum standards?
The system forces nothing.
1. They chose to violate our immigration laws.
2. they chose to use ID theft or fraud.
3. They chose to live a life of crime.
It would be the system fault if we granted them a VISA and then denied them the right to work.
As it stands we dont owe anyone a VISA or entrance into this country.
They can disagree with our policies and that is thier right. They dont have a right to break any of our laws they disagree with any more than does a citizen.
The system forced nothing.
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Old 08-29-2011, 06:59 AM
 
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The system obviously forces these extra crimes on anyone who is here illegally. Do you really think they'd choose to steal SSNs if they could be legally granted temporary status? Obviously not.

And, of course, I have no problem admitting that I'm a criminal in the literal sense, just as most people are. I'm also highly productive, and it speaks basically nothing as to my character or economic value.
Why are you making excuses for her?

Stealing SS#'s is a crime even for Americans its a crime.

Just because I had no money to pay for a football ticket, I should sneak into the stadium anyway and steal someones seat and cry foul when security apprehends me?
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Old 08-29-2011, 07:00 AM
 
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Back to the excuse its not their fault we have minimum standards?
The system forces nothing.
1. They chose to violate our immigration laws.
2. they chose to use ID theft or fraud.
3. They chose to live a life of crime.
It would be the system fault if we granted them a VISA and then denied them the right to work.
As it stands we dont owe anyone a VISA or entrance into this country.
They can disagree with our policies and that is thier right. They dont have a right to break any of our laws they disagree with any more than does a citizen.
The system forced nothing.
Agreed.

Everyone knows right from wrong.

We are not babies.
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Old 08-29-2011, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Pa
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Why are you making excuses for her?

Stealing SS#'s is a crime even for Americans its a crime.

Just because I had no money to pay for a football ticket, I should sneak into the stadium anyway and steal someones seat and cry foul when security apprehends me?
or
I didn't score high enough on my drivers test so I should drive without a license?
I didn't get accepted at the college of choice because I didnt meet the minimum requirements so I demand a degree anyway?
The list is endless.
I don't like that speed limit so I'll drive as fast as I want to, then complain because I get a ticket.
The system made me speed.
The system made me cheat on tests.
The system made me drive illegally.
Minimum standards are a good thing.
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Old 08-29-2011, 07:07 AM
 
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And how many of those 12 jobs went to other illegals, how many went to US citizens?

My guess would be none of those jobs were created for Americans of any kind.
Possibly "some" Hispanic citizens because they speak Spanish and she didn't speak English. At any rate with three anchors and a husband with cancer she and her family would be a net drain on our country anyway. Bottom line is that she is here illegally and that is really all that really matters. She should be deported and take her husband and kids with her.
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Old 08-29-2011, 07:15 AM
 
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or
I didn't score high enough on my drivers test so I should drive without a license?
I didn't get accepted at the college of choice because I didnt meet the minimum requirements so I demand a degree anyway?
The list is endless.
I don't like that speed limit so I'll drive as fast as I want to, then complain because I get a ticket.
The system made me speed.
The system made me cheat on tests.
The system made me drive illegally.
Minimum standards are a good thing.
We are talking about stealing someones SS# in which I replied because they are illegally here.

The list above is not comparing that.

You stole my seat at the football game so should you be angry if you got caught? Should I demand the harshest punishment for you? Or should you be let go to do it again?

You did not belong there to begin with. I should demand security escort you off the premises.
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Old 08-29-2011, 07:19 AM
 
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And how many of those 12 jobs went to other illegals, how many went to US citizens?

My guess would be none of those jobs were created for Americans of any kind.
Maybe you are right. Those jobs were created for more illegals.

Your statement sums up the non assimilating factor as well as another black market of illegal activity.

Like Chicago said, they should be deported, bottom line.
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Old 08-29-2011, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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Except liiiike, the only "harm" you guys can ever come up with is taking American jobs and stuff like that. So here's someone who is clearly an economic boon, and you're stuck comparing her to scammers because you forgot your whole line of reasoning somewhere along the way.
Not really...in addition to having broken our laws to sneak into our country, the majority of these illegals are slowly but surely bringing the USA "DOWN" to a 3rd-world country standard of living. They came from a 3rd-world country and don't know any different, but that is no excuse allow these people to "expose" our country to the inevitability of erosion of our living standards over time, to say nothing of the financial cost which we cannot afford. To make any "exception" for any particular situation is just as abhorrent as is breaking our laws to sneak in here illegally! Those that enter "legally" learn the English language (usually...this is the first step that must be taken in order for success).

Obama's standard of "spread the wealth" doesn't work including the stupid position of "Oh, those poor illegals, yaddity, yaddity, yaddity." Perhaps someone should suggest that he, personally, take care of all those "poor" folks from his own check book. Maybe he could buy them all a ticket back to their "legal" home country and finance their losses so they could go into business there.
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