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Old 09-03-2011, 09:27 AM
 
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Perhaps it is silly to get into a debate about history with people who can hardly comprehend the present, but like, no dudes.

The colonists actually didn't perceive of themselves as being "American" in the sense that we do now. After all, there wasn't really an "America" in most senses, and huge percentages of the population had been born in England. I'm not going to get into nitty gritty details, but it needs to be pointed out that you're just MAKING **** UP. The document says "all men are created equal," and you're sitting there arguing that it doesn't mean that. There's no actual debate here, as usual.
The document also mentions some savages out there on the frontier.....
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Old 09-03-2011, 09:31 AM
 
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Well we can just do it like this. Does it apply to blacks?
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Old 09-03-2011, 09:34 AM
 
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Well we can just do it like this. Does it apply to blacks?
At the time, not completely - I think they were considered 3/4s or something.

And if it didn't apply to the "savages at the frontiers" or to the American blacks, or even to the British and their King, it CERTAINLY didn't mean to include all the people of the third world regions south of the current frontier.
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Old 09-03-2011, 09:52 AM
 
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At the time, not completely - I think they were considered 3/4s or something.
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Old 09-03-2011, 09:54 AM
 
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No it's not. The British are human beings and if anything that document seems to be rather anti-British.
Oh, I thought it was about AMERICANS?

Here, let me help you. It talks about particular actions certain british people took that violated HUMAN RIGHTS. They weren't bad actions because the people victimized were AMERICANS. They were bad because the actions victimized HUMAN BEINGS.
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Old 09-03-2011, 09:55 AM
 
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And yes, the people who wrote it were themselves flawed human beings. ANd they violated the rights of other human beings. But none of that has anything to do with whether the document is describing Americans specifically or human beings in general.
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Old 09-03-2011, 09:56 AM
 
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Oh, I thought it was about AMERICANS?

Here, let me help you. It talks about particular actions certain british people took that violated HUMAN RIGHTS. They weren't bad actions because the people victimized were AMERICANS. They were bad because the actions victimized HUMAN BEINGS.
Actually not. They were the people of the 13 colonies, they didn't see themselves yet as Americans, they were only loosely banded together colonies at that time.

The Declaration of Independence was only for the people of the new country being created starting with the 13 colonies.
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Old 09-03-2011, 09:59 AM
 
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And yes, the people who wrote it were themselves flawed human beings. ANd they violated the rights of other human beings. But none of that has anything to do with whether the document is describing Americans specifically or human beings in general.
Actually that whole "all men were created equal" had nothing to do with illegal aliens, it refers to something in the bible, that in God's eyes, all men are created equal. It never meant that the government was to make them all equal or force equality.

And it doesn't stop Mexicans and other illegals from using their own natural rights to change their own countries.

It was NEVER at any time about some unlimited illegal immigration policy. Never.
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Old 09-03-2011, 09:59 AM
 
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I can't wait to get more historical insights from you, malamute. Tell us about the 3/4ths compromise!
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Old 09-03-2011, 10:04 AM
 
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This is fascinating stuff.
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