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Old 08-30-2011, 03:32 PM
 
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sorry I didn't realize he has never spoken to his uncle, I assumed it connects to his stark resistance to illegal immagration laws, I don't believe it should effect the election, but it will.
But it does raise the question if he respects the law if his family does't.
It won't affect anything. His opponents tried to make his aunt being here illegally an issue during the 2008 elections but he still won. When will the GOP realize that immigration doesn't play an important role for most non-Latino voters( it does with Latino voters though)? So they try to act all tough and unreasonable on the issue, but it doesn't translate into votes for them from the electorate and additionally, they lose the Latino vote in the process.

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Old 08-30-2011, 03:46 PM
 
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It won't affect anything. His opponents try to make his aunt being here illegally an issue during the 2008 elections but he still won. When will the GOP realize that immigration doesn't play an important role for most non-Latino voters( it does with Latino voters though)? So they try to act all tough and unreasonable on the issue, but it doesn't translate into votes for them from the electorate and additionally, they lose the Latino vote in the process.
60+ % of americans are against illegal immigration.
70% are against an amnesty for illegals.
In 08 unemployment was lower and Obama had yet to fail in delivering on his promises.
In 08 Obama's aunt had not yet been given her free pass. This will be more of an issue this time around.
What will save Obama isn't his successes but the fact the GOP is struggling to find a viable candidate.
 
Old 08-30-2011, 03:51 PM
 
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It won't affect anything. His opponents try to make his aunt being here illegally an issue during the 2008 elections but he still won. When will the GOP realize that immigration doesn't play an important role for most non-Latino voters( it does with Latino voters though)? So they try to act all tough and unreasonable on the issue, but it doesn't translate into votes for them from the electorate and additionally, they lose the Latino vote in the process.
Please enlighten us why the Latino vote doesn't go to the GOP for wanting our our immigation laws enforced. How is that being tough and unreasonable?

I believe that illegal immigration is seen more and more of a problem to the majority of Americans regardless of what party they are affiliated with. A candidate advocating for amnesty in today's economy and unemployment will not appeal to most voters this time around.
 
Old 08-30-2011, 04:02 PM
 
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60+ % of americans are against illegal immigration.
70% are against an amnesty for illegals.
In 08 unemployment was lower and Obama had yet to fail in delivering on his promises.
In 08 Obama's aunt had not yet been given her free pass. This will be more of an issue this time around.
What will save Obama isn't his successes but the fact the GOP is struggling to find a viable candidate.
I can post numerous polls that show that most Americans support CIR. I just don't see Obama's aunt or uncle affecting anything in the 2012 elections.
 
Old 08-30-2011, 04:15 PM
 
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I can post numerous polls that show that most Americans support CIR. I just don't see Obama's aunt or uncle affecting anything in the 2012 elections.
The fact he is president puts him and his family in the spot light. We cant chose our family but we can be tarnished by them. What the opposition can bring into doubt is Obama's ability to be neutral or put the nations interests before his own family. The argument can be made that the reason Obama's admin is so pro-illegal is the fact that he has family members who are illegals. Its not much of a stretch.
 
Old 08-30-2011, 04:20 PM
 
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I can post numerous polls that show that most Americans support CIR. I just don't see Obama's aunt or uncle affecting anything in the 2012 elections.
Keep in mind in 2010 NE Pa historically a dmocrat strong hold voted Barletta into office over long time Dem Kanjorski. A big part of that win was due to Bareltta taking a stand against illegal immigration.
 
Old 08-30-2011, 04:21 PM
 
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I can post numerous polls that show that most Americans support CIR. I just don't see Obama's aunt or uncle affecting anything in the 2012 elections.
And I can and others in here can post numerous polls indicating the exact opposite if that CIR includes amnesty.
 
Old 08-30-2011, 06:02 PM
 
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We cant chose our family but we can be tarnished by them.
Yeah, but the only people who think this "tarnishes" obama already weren't going to vote for him. This has zero impact on the election.
 
Old 08-30-2011, 06:06 PM
 
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Yeah, but the only people who think this "tarnishes" obama already weren't going to vote for him. This has zero impact on the election.
This was obviously true in 2008. Unfortunately for the President he has failed to deliver on so many of his promises even when he enjoyed a stacked deck. His greatest advantage as it stands today is a weak GOP.
 
Old 08-30-2011, 06:25 PM
 
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This was obviously true in 2008. Unfortunately for the President he has failed to deliver on so many of his promises even when he enjoyed a stacked deck. His greatest advantage as it stands today is a weak GOP.
I'm not saying he's going to win, I'm just saying this one issue is not going to sway anyone.
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