Latino group claims Aztlan civil war within next 5 years (Americans, English, born)

[ErikCortez]

Originally Posted by Wynwood

You thought my response was bold?
Wow, you have a very low threshold.
I did not realize the First Amendment was bold here in the US.
And your quote about posting name and address just proves you did not *get* what I was saying.

For the record, refusing to assimilate is not illegal.
It's called freedom and liberty, something you might have forgotten about.
If you did in fact try to make *make me* assimilate using any kind of physical force, you'd have a lawsuit on your hands for obvious reasons. Your only choice is to regulate assimilation through enactment of laws. The Nazis tried that. Go for it.

I guessin you came here willingly. NO one held a gun to your head and told you had to go to the USA so DONT use that Nazi bit. If you hate the USA that much, please leave! There many people who would LOVE to be here.

[ErikCortez]

Originally Posted by theunbrainwashed

I agree. They don't have to assimilate if they don't want to. Of course, then they'll always be relegated to the back end of society, being forced to live in their wonderful, poor crime infested neighborhoods. Course, some tweaking of the welfare laws needs to be made to encourage them to join the mainstream instead of living in squalor like the Muslims do, while milking the government teet

Yep. Make welfare info in English ONLY. Not lawyer talk but regular English.

[IBMMuseum]

Originally Posted by ErikCortez

Yep. Make welfare info in English ONLY. Not lawyer talk but regular English.

What "welfare info" are you talking about that is not in English? Social Security pamphlets? Are you afraid it details a hidden program that is not in the English brochure?

Whether someone qualifies for a program should be dependent on what language where they learned about it?...

[malamute]

Originally Posted by IBMMuseum

What "welfare info" are you talking about that is not in English? Social Security pamphlets? Are you afraid it details a hidden program that is not in the English brochure?

Whether someone qualifies for a program should be dependent on what language where they learned about it?...

Yes, make welfare handouts only in English. Why reward those who have no ability or desire to assimilate except into the welfare life?

Better yet, limit immigration to those who have some ability and desire to adapt and learn.

[ErikCortez]

Originally Posted by IBMMuseum

What "welfare info" are you talking about that is not in English? Social Security pamphlets? Are you afraid it details a hidden program that is not in the English brochure?

Whether someone qualifies for a program should be dependent on what language where they learned about it?...

No speakin English, NO bennies.

[Rockmadinejad]

Originally Posted by ErikCortez

No speakin English, NO bennies.

How well should you have to speak it?

[FiveplaysbyLorca]

Make all welfare pamphlets in Latin or in Espanto. Then the hard workers would stand out. That puts everyone on a even playing field, except for the destitute Latin and Espanto speakers of course.

[Michael Di Meo]

Originally Posted by ErikCortez

I guessin you came here willingly. NO one held a gun to your head and told you had to go to the USA so DONT use that Nazi bit. If you hate the USA that much, please leave! There many people who would LOVE to be here.

I don't hate the USA at all.
I actually love it.
But loving a country and assimilating are 2 totally different points.
I am very grateful that my GF gave it up for me today, but I disagree with her on many points. I still love her.

[Michael Di Meo]

Originally Posted by Wynwood

Ummm... not just Mexicans, but Gringo Americans felt that way too (including 2 former US Presidents)...

But I guess you are not a fan of history...and prefer to propogate misinformation.

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US President Ulysses S. Grant, who as a young army lieutenant had served in Mexico under General Taylor, recalled in his Memoirs, published in 1885, that:

Generally, the officers of the army were indifferent whether the annexation was consummated or not; but not so all of them. For myself, I was bitterly opposed to the measure, and to this day regard the war, which resulted, as one of the most unjust ever waged by a stronger against a weaker nation. It was an instance of a republic following the bad example of European monarchies, in not considering justice in their desire to acquire additional territory.(1)


Joshua Giddings led a group of dissenters in Washington D.C. He called the war with Mexico "an aggressive, unholy, and unjust war," and voted against supplying soldiers and weapons. He said:

In the murder of Mexicans upon their own soil, or in robbing them of their country, I can take no part either now or here-after. The guilt of these crimes must rest on others. I will not participate in them.(2)

Fellow Whig Abraham Lincoln contested the causes for the war and demanded to know exactly where Thornton had been attacked and American blood shed. "Show me the spot," he demanded.

Whig leader Robert Toombs of Georgia declared:

This war is nondescript .... We charge the President with usurping the war-making power ... with seizing a country ... which had been for centuries, and was then in the possession of the Mexicans .... Let us put a check upon this lust of dominion. We had territory enough, Heaven knew.(3)

(1)"Ulysses S Grant Quotes on the Military Academy and the Mexican War". Fadedgiant.net. http://www.fadedgiant.net/html/grant_ulysses_s_quotes_west_po.htm.
(2)Giddings,Joshua Reed, Speeches in Congress [1841–1852], J.P. Jewett and Company, 1853, p.17
(3) Beveridge 1:417.

Truth hurts people, I guess we only celebrate people like Abraham Lincoln when we agree with his ideas. If we do not, he's just a dead man to be ignored.

[ErikCortez]

Originally Posted by Wynwood

Truth hurts people, I guess we only celebrate people like Abraham Lincoln when we agree with his ideas. If we do not, he's just a dead man to be ignored.

The truth hurts, yep. Mexico was startd with many people gettin hurt. Cuba to. It aint just the USA with nasty things before any of us were born.