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Old 09-01-2011, 04:01 PM
 
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I already did!

It worked for generations, when coupled with quotas.
Actually, for generations there were no quotas or immigration restrictions. People literally just showed up and we welcomed them. And the country boomed.

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PS. You don't get to cherry-pick your laws.
Um, yeah, actually, you do. That's what the legislative process is all about. Individual laws are passed and repealed every day without re-writing all the other laws. So would you support such a law or not?
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Old 09-01-2011, 04:34 PM
 
Location: South Carolina - The Palmetto State
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If New Mexico's, Arizona's, and Alabama's laws concerning Illegals are to be blocked by Judicial fiat, then California's Dream Act has to be blocked, too.

Before anyone starts screaming "10th Amendment" in support of California - then AZ,AL, GA, & NM laws have to be allowed - unless we've become a nation no longer of laws, but men.
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Old 09-01-2011, 10:27 PM
 
Location: California
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Classical liberalism advocates for a free market for both capital and labor.
Classic Liberalism advocates these things for its citizens based on that a government is created by individuals to protect themselves from one another, not on the premise of "one world order" (you're taking the ideology completely out of its context with your claim). A classic liberal advocates for the free market (product) from state to state, not country to country. A classic liberal advocates for fair (product) trade country to country, at no time does a classic liberal advocate for the free movement of people country to country.
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Old 09-01-2011, 10:36 PM
 
Location: California
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Actually, for generations there were no quotas or immigration restrictions. People literally just showed up and we welcomed them. And the country boomed.
I guess all those Exclusion Acts never existed? There were many that landed at Ellis Island that were put back on the ship and sent back. Restrictions go back as far as the first settlements.
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Old 09-01-2011, 10:52 PM
 
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They should allow the illegal students to apply for aid then turn around and take that info and deport them.

Now that would be a real dream act not this dumb nightmare act they passing.
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Old 09-01-2011, 11:02 PM
 
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So make them legal. Problem solved.
Oh yeah that'll work real well....NOT! If you make them legal then what are you going to do with the next 15 million? Legalize them too? And another 15 million and another and another......
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Old 09-01-2011, 11:42 PM
 
Location: In Transition
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It is futile discussing the pros and cons of the Dream act for California on CD, since the majority elected Democrat governor and the elected Democrat majority California legislature said from day 1 that they were going to vote for this. Given this information, the majority of Californians put these people into office anyways, so there's not a whole lot that can be done about it.

Talking about it on CD isn't going to sway enough Californians to vote otherwise.

Things aren't getting better on CA political distribution front. Looking at the redistricting numbers, whatever is left of CA Republican / independent legislators will now have a hard time getting re-elected. Pretty much many of the CA Republicans 10 years ago apparently moved out, and whatever conservatives are still here will just have to acquiesce to the new reality of California.

The CA Dream act is just the beginning.
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Old 09-02-2011, 01:10 AM
 
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How about this revolutionary idea: we make it easier for them to get a legitimate one?
Yes. People are breaking the law, so we must change it to suit them. While we're at it, let's legalize robbery and murder too, because some people are not able to get by without breaking those laws.
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Old 09-02-2011, 01:11 AM
 
Location: state of procrastination
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They should limit financial resources only to the illegal students who are majoring in hard sciences so they can actually contribute to society, not those majoring in humanities and Chicano women's studies etc.
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Old 09-02-2011, 02:33 AM
 
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They should limit financial resources only to the illegal students who are majoring in hard sciences so they can actually contribute to society, not those majoring in humanities and Chicano women's studies etc.
No they should NOT fund ANY Illegals as they do not have a legal right to work or live here.

When you start making exceptions and selectively enforce or ignore the laws you have already lost.
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