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Old 09-14-2011, 08:05 PM
 
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well people move to the first world because the third world sucks.
Yes but you have to ask what exactly made their own countries "third world". Mexico isn't actually a third world nation but it has a rather large subclass that is third world culturally. That's why that in spite of Mexico's middle class growing at a fast rate, the bottom rung of society has no chance of becoming part of that middle class and instead is pouring over the borders into the USA, along with similar Central Americans.

In Mexico, if someone stays in school, learns job skills and obtains a job and marries before starting a family and limits family size to what they can afford, they stand a very good chance of joining the middle class.

If instead someone in Mexico starts giving birth at a very young age, has no job skills or education, then it's a third world life style unless he or she can make it over illegally to the USA for the easy life of easily obtained material items.
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Old 09-14-2011, 08:32 PM
 
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Yes but you have to ask what exactly made their own countries "third world". Mexico isn't actually a third world nation but it has a rather large subclass that is third world culturally. That's why that in spite of Mexico's middle class growing at a fast rate, the bottom rung of society has no chance of becoming part of that middle class and instead is pouring over the borders into the USA, along with similar Central Americans.

In Mexico, if someone stays in school, learns job skills and obtains a job and marries before starting a family and limits family size to what they can afford, they stand a very good chance of joining the middle class.

If instead someone in Mexico starts giving birth at a very young age, has no job skills or education, then it's a third world life style unless he or she can make it over illegally to the USA for the easy life of easily obtained material items.
Excellent summation, malamute.
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Old 09-15-2011, 04:04 PM
 
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Yes but you have to ask what exactly made their own countries "third world". Mexico isn't actually a third world nation but it has a rather large subclass that is third world culturally. That's why that in spite of Mexico's middle class growing at a fast rate, the bottom rung of society has no chance of becoming part of that middle class and instead is pouring over the borders into the USA, along with similar Central Americans.

In Mexico, if someone stays in school, learns job skills and obtains a job and marries before starting a family and limits family size to what they can afford, they stand a very good chance of joining the middle class.

If instead someone in Mexico starts giving birth at a very young age, has no job skills or education, then it's a third world life style unless he or she can make it over illegally to the USA for the easy life of easily obtained material items.
well thats Mexico's Problem, in the US your a criminal if your illegal, just cause your life sucks in your home country doest give you a free pass on the law.
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Old 09-15-2011, 08:40 PM
 
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well thats Mexico's Problem, in the US your a criminal if your illegal, just cause your life sucks in your home country doest give you a free pass on the law.
Correct, but unfortunately Mexico's as well as other countries problems are in fact spilling over into this country.
We have a less than effective border security combined with weak willed elected reps. Add to this we have a segment of the population advocting for a free pass for violators and opting for lowered standards and increased immigration. All the above has resulted in the mess we are currently in.
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Old 09-15-2011, 09:33 PM
 
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Wrong. We are a very rapidly growing country, the birth rates of Americans is at replacement levels or just slightly above, but the population increase rivals third world nations.

In October 2006, we hit 300,000,000 people but that number is significantly higher. Over 312,000,000 now after just 5 years we added 12,000,000. The problem is we didn't create 12,000,000 new jobs, but millions of people are arriving and reproducing soon after arriving.

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U.S. births dropped 2% in 2008, bringing the country's birth rate below replacement level, new government statistics released Tuesday reveal.
The rate dropped even further in 2009. You guys need to keep your propaganda current. I know 2007 was a bullish year for over-crowding scare-mongerers, but those times have passed. Get some fresh material.

Unless you have proof that all twelve million of those people that have supposedly joined our ranks are all seeking jobs AND none of them are entrepreneurs themselves then the "problem" you seem so worried about is about as much of a problem as AllAmericanNYC's posts are genius-inspired(not comic genius, mind you). Also, we have an aging population so, pretty soon, if not already, we will have more people leaving the workforce than entering it, economic fluctuations aside.
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Old 09-15-2011, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Pa
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The rate dropped even further in 2009. You guys need to keep your propaganda current. I know 2007 was a bullish year for over-crowding scare-mongerers, but those times have passed. Get some fresh material.

Unless you have proof that all twelve million of those people that have supposedly joined our ranks are all seeking jobs AND none of them are entrepreneurs themselves then the "problem" you seem so worried about is about as much of a problem as AllAmericanNYC's posts are genius-inspired(not comic genius, mind you). Also, we have an aging population so, pretty soon, if not already, we will have more people leaving the workforce than entering it, economic fluctuations aside.
And your remedy for this is?
Some on this forum would advocate open borders or at least open immigration to unskilled uneducated immigrants. This of course would be a mistake because the majority of them would only earn minimum wage. That would be a drain on our economy not a boost.
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Old 09-15-2011, 09:44 PM
 
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Yes but you have to ask what exactly made their own countries "third world". Mexico isn't actually a third world nation but it has a rather large subclass that is third world culturally. That's why that in spite of Mexico's middle class growing at a fast rate, the bottom rung of society has no chance of becoming part of that middle class and instead is pouring over the borders into the USA, along with similar Central Americans.

In Mexico, if someone stays in school, learns job skills and obtains a job and marries before starting a family and limits family size to what they can afford, they stand a very good chance of joining the middle class.

If instead someone in Mexico starts giving birth at a very young age, has no job skills or education, then it's a third world life style unless he or she can make it over illegally to the USA for the easy life of easily obtained material items.
Could you define "third-world culture?"
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Old 09-15-2011, 09:53 PM
 
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And your remedy for this is?
Some on this forum would advocate open borders or at least open immigration to unskilled uneducated immigrants. This of course would be a mistake because the majority of them would only earn minimum wage. That would be a drain on our economy not a boost.
Remedy what? More people leaving the work force? I don't know, seems like we'd better figure it out quick considering how much medical costs are increasing and we'll have fewer taxpayers supporting more blue-hairs. We could either raise taxes(might keep economy sluggish) or we can let in more able-bodied/able-minded people to work and buy things to generate that cash for the govt to gobble up.

Btw, when you say "under-educated" do you mean unintelligent?
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Old 09-15-2011, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Tempe, Az
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Could you define "third-world culture?"
Gettin drunk, NOT workin, NOT saving money, starting fights over stupid stuff, NOT wantin to speak better English in the USA or better Spanish in Mexico, etc. Those things are all third world in my eyes.
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Old 09-16-2011, 05:52 AM
 
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Gettin drunk, NOT workin, NOT saving money, starting fights over stupid stuff, NOT wantin to speak better English in the USA or better Spanish in Mexico, etc. Those things are all third world in my eyes.
This is a strange set of criteria to ascribe to third-world culture. Take, for example, 'not workin.' When I think of places where people can not work and not starve to death the first places that come to mind are all places with strong social welfare programs and those places are decidedly 1st world.

Really, 4 of the 5 things you listed are probably true of a great many people from the US who have never set foot outside the 1st world.

'not wantin to speak better English...'
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