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So, all the social programs that make it easier to have "3rd world birthrates," has access to these programs for illegal immigrants increased, decreased, or stayed the same over the past 10-20 years?
Increased. Word has spread that all it takes is giving birth here and the rest is gravy.
Increased. Word has spread that all it takes is giving birth here and the rest is gravy.
Ok, so we've increased access to the gravy train, so to speak. So, given that we've increased access to these programs that, according to you, make it easier to support having many kids, we could expect birth rates for groups of people who represent a large portion of illegal immigrant populations such as Hispanics to be increasing or at least not decreasing, right? Because, if things are really as many of the people around here claim and these illegal immigrants aren't assimilating and they do come from a culture that promotes having tons of kids and they suddenly end up over here in a situation in which we are making it easier for them to have these kids e.g. through all they monies that we shower on them through our social programs to help support those kids then it would seem logical that their birth rates would be increasing, right?
Well, luckily we keep statistics on these types of things and some people make pretty graphs out of them:
Simply because overall or Hispanic "birth rates" have decreased, it does not show, nor does it prove your claims.
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Originally Posted by Viridian Ideals
has access to these programs for illegal immigrants increased, decreased, or stayed the same over the past 10-20 years?
Statistics are always a fun way to play games. While the overall US Hispanic rates have decreased that does not mean that Hispanic/Latino illegal aliens rates have not increased.
You're misusing and claiming information when that info doesn't address your actual claim illegal immigrants. It's been shown in this forum that increased claims for social services by illegal alien children born in the USA have increased over the years. Your chart merely shows that US Hispanic birth rates and fertility rates have dropped, while Hispanic illegal aliens may be within this chart, it doesn't separate them out. So while the overall Hispanic Rate may be going down, the Hispanic Illegal Alien Rate may be going up.
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Simply because overall or Hispanic "birth rates" have decreased, it does not show, nor does it prove your claims. Statistics are always a fun way to play games. While the overall US Hispanic rates have decreased that does not mean that Hispanic/Latino illegal aliens rates have not increased.
The paradox looks to be your misuse and claims of information when that info doesn't address your actual claim.
Ah, but the claims of the people screaming that illegal immigrants are breeding out of controll are based off these same statistics. If I'm misusing statistics, then so are all of them. But wait, claims of illegals breeding like rabbits are made all the time on here often with similar statistics as support, but this is the first time I've seen you bring this up. Why could that be? Remaining silent when statistics are being used to reinforce a negative stereo-type of a certain group of people, but when those same stats are used in a way that reflects positively on that same group of people you rush to point out the stats are being misused. Hmmmmm...
Ok, so we've increased access to the gravy train, so to speak. So, given that we've increased access to these programs that, according to you, make it easier to support having many kids, we could expect birth rates for groups of people who represent a large portion of illegal immigrant populations such as Hispanics to be increasing or at least not decreasing, right? Because, if things are really as many of the people around here claim and these illegal immigrants aren't assimilating and they do come from a culture that promotes having tons of kids and they suddenly end up over here in a situation in which we are making it easier for them to have these kids e.g. through all they monies that we shower on them through our social programs to help support those kids then it would seem logical that their birth rates would be increasing, right?
Well, luckily we keep statistics on these types of things and some people make pretty graphs out of them:
Simply because overall or Hispanic "birth rates" have decreased, it does not show, nor does it prove your claims. Statistics are always a fun way to play games. While the overall US Hispanic rates have decreased that does not mean that Hispanic/Latino illegal aliens rates have not increased.
You're misusing and claiming information when that info doesn't address your actual claim illegal immigrants. It's been shown in this forum that increased claims for social services by illegal alien children born in the USA have increased over the years. Your chart merely shows that US Hispanic birth rates and fertility rates have dropped, while Hispanic illegal aliens may be within this chart, it doesn't separate them out. So while the overall Hispanic Rate may be going down, the Hispanic Illegal Alien Rate may be going up.
Increased claims for social services by illegal alien children doesn't say anything about birthrates either. Such a claim, if it existed was a bigger abuse of statistics than any abuse I may have made. You could have increased claims and have decreasing birthrates amongst any population.
Oh, you have data that shows that particular group deviates from the bigger group? Please, share with the rest of us!
How can there be data, Well accurate data when we dont even know how many illegals are here, and hospitals aree not allowed to ask.
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