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Old 09-13-2011, 04:42 PM
 
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Apples and oranges.

Are the cops waiting outside of bars pulling over cars with latino drivers or cars that look like they are being driven by a drunk? Are the highway patrol officers pulling over cars with latino drivers or cars that exceed the speed limit? In both examples you gave, the police are acting when they see evidence of a crime. Detaining people arriving at a birthday party or hanging out by a Home Depot is a different animal entirely. Your example is really only on point if you think that simply being latino is evidence that you are committing a crime.
Police would be targeting illegal aliens at Home Depot, not specifically Latinos. And, I donít recall anyone supporting the random checking of IDs at private parties. Rather, the random checking of IDs at known illegal alien hangouts, much like they target drug dealers/users in areas known for drug activity. Why are you making this an issue of Latinos?
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Old 09-13-2011, 04:47 PM
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Police would be targeting illegal aliens at Home Depot, not specifically Latinos. And, I donít recall anyone supporting the random checking of IDs at private parties. Rather, the random checking of IDs at known illegal alien hangouts, much like they target drug dealers/users in areas known for drug activity. Why are you making this an issue of Latinos?
How would the police decide which people to hassle at the Home Depot? What is the basis for checking the IDs of some people but not others? Is it a crime for a person to be at a Home Depot? You are the one arguing for random ID checks with no evidence of any criminal activity, how do you think the police will decide which people in the Home Depot parking lot should be subject to random detention and search?
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Old 09-13-2011, 04:55 PM
 
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Apples and oranges.

Are the cops waiting outside of bars pulling over cars with latino drivers or cars that look like they are being driven by a drunk? Are the highway patrol officers pulling over cars with latino drivers or cars that exceed the speed limit? In both examples you gave, the police are acting when they see evidence of a crime. Detaining people arriving at a birthday party or hanging out by a Home Depot is a different animal entirely. Your example is really only on point if you think that simply being latino is evidence that you are committing a crime.

My assumption is that they are pulling over ANYONE that they think is breaking the law. That is their job. If someone gives them cause to be pulled over, they will do their job.

It has nothing to do with Latino, or Italian, or German, or Canadian. Why would a cop stop someone going to a birthday party? Unless he's looking for a pedophile near a childs birthday party that makes no sense. Unless he was invited how would he be aware that there even was one unless it got out of hand?

The example of people hanging out at Home Depot could be tricky. They may have to use an undercover to solicit them like they do with hookers.

Needless to say, cops know the habits of criminals and use those habits to catch them. That's their job. It has nothing to do with race. It has to do with crime.
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Old 09-13-2011, 05:04 PM
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My assumption is that they are pulling over ANYONE that they think is breaking the law. That is their job. If someone gives them cause to be pulled over, they will do their job.

It has nothing to do with Latino, or Italian, or German, or Canadian. Why would a cop stop someone going to a birthday party? Unless he's looking for a pedophile near a childs birthday party that makes no sense. Unless he was invited how would he be aware that there even was one unless it got out of hand?

The example of people hanging out at Home Depot could be tricky. They may have to use an undercover to solicit them like they do with hookers.

Needless to say, cops know the habits of criminals and use those habits to catch them. That's their job. It has nothing to do with race. It has to do with crime.
What crime is someone that is hanging out at a Home Depot committing?
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Old 09-13-2011, 05:06 PM
 
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How would the police decide which people to hassle at the Home Depot? What is the basis for checking the IDs of some people but not others? Is it a crime for a person to be at a Home Depot? You are the one arguing for random ID checks with no evidence of any criminal activity, how do you think the police will decide which people in the Home Depot parking lot should be subject to random detention and search?
Illegal aliens have been soliciting work from Home Depot parking lots for several years. The police know, and so does everyone else. I have witnessed illegals running when they see law enforcement. Would a citizen or legal resident have a reason to fear ICE? Again, how does this differ from routine checks at known drug areas?
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Old 09-13-2011, 05:09 PM
 
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What crime is someone that is hanging out at a Home Depot committing?
It is illegal to be in this country without authorization. It is also against the law to hire an illegal alien. Illegal aliens are not simply hanging out in Home Depot parking lots. They are seeking ILLEGAL employment.
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Old 09-13-2011, 05:13 PM
 
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What crime is someone that is hanging out at a Home Depot committing?

Many stores have no loitering policies. And like I said, they may bring in undercover to see if the loiterers are seeking illegal employment. Are you implying it is only Latinos that hang out there to try to get work under the table?

Have you ever watched the Las Vegas cop show? They get hookers there on the Strip all the time because they know that hookers habitually try to sell their wares to the tourists.

I haven't noticed it being one race over another. All races of people commit crimes.
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Old 09-13-2011, 05:27 PM
 
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Apples and oranges.

Are the cops waiting outside of bars pulling over cars with latino drivers or cars that look like they are being driven by a drunk? Are the highway patrol officers pulling over cars with latino drivers or cars that exceed the speed limit? In both examples you gave, the police are acting when they see evidence of a crime. Detaining people arriving at a birthday party or hanging out by a Home Depot is a different animal entirely. Your example is really only on point if you think that simply being latino is evidence that you are committing a crime.

If cops were to let Latinos that were exhibiting signs of intoxication go simply because they may be illegal would that be wrong?

In my area we have people going to jail for second offense DUI. I'm not saying this is bad. Until you know the rest of the story...which is that numerous Hispanics get picked up for 3rd, 4th and 5th DUI's and are released because they don't want the Hispanics to have that jail time on their record.

Maybe if the laws weren't being blatantly disregarded to favor illegals there would be more support for their cause.

I have yet to see an illegal say "This is my second DUI and I want to go to jail like any citizen would".
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Old 09-13-2011, 05:33 PM
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Illegal aliens have been soliciting work from Home Depot parking lots for several years. The police know, and so does everyone else. I have witnessed illegals running when they see law enforcement. Would a citizen or legal resident have a reason to fear ICE? Again, how does this differ from routine checks at known drug areas?

Are the cops going to ask everyone that is in a Home Depot parking lot for ID? If not, how will they pick and choose? What criteria do you expect law enforcement to use when they select people for a random search?
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Old 09-13-2011, 05:34 PM
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It is illegal to be in this country without authorization. It is also against the law to hire an illegal alien. Illegal aliens are not simply hanging out in Home Depot parking lots. They are seeking ILLEGAL employment.
Can you tell that someone is illegal just by looking at them? How is law enforcement going to select the people for the ID checks? You have to establish some kind of criteria.
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