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Old 09-13-2011, 01:20 AM
 
Location: Duluth, Minnesota, USA
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Let's say there's a community known for rampant illegal immigration. Of the Hispanic population, an estimated 70% of them are undocumented. Let's also say that it is in a state that recently adopted Arizona-like laws, but stricter. Basically, if a police officer merely suspects that you are an illegal alien (there would perhaps be some "grounds" for the suspicion required, but they would be very light), he can check your ID on the spot. Various groups charge that the law goes against the U.S. constitution, and are preparing the state for a battle in court, but that is the law as it stands.

Should police officers be able to stand on the sidewalk at a church or reception hall hosting a quinceañera party, and when the limo arrives, pull random people out for ID checks?

Should they be able to send squads to do random ID checks after a Mexican restaurant closes and sends its employees home? Should they be able to do a sting operation at a storefront "Envio de Dinero" (cash transfer) shop, perhaps with officers hiding around the block, and randomly check IDs?

I'd be interested to know.
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Old 09-13-2011, 06:32 AM
 
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Citizens aren't required to carry ID. So I'm not sure what this would accomplish.
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Old 09-13-2011, 06:39 AM
 
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We should have random checks, because illegal immigration is out of control in this country. Most places you are required to have an id. No one ever refuses to show id at the dmv, library, & getting a bank account. You should be anle to prove who you are.

I say yes we need them.
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Old 09-13-2011, 06:56 AM
 
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It's a slippery slope.

As much as I am for deporting each and every illegal in this country, the thought of changing the way the police operate from requiring "just cause" to "just because" bothers me.

If the police can start pulling people out of a wedding at random who knows what else they might do? It's the first step towards a police state.
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Old 09-13-2011, 07:47 AM
 
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We have random checks anyway, what would make it different from random checks for illegals?
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Old 09-13-2011, 07:57 AM
 
Location: in a cabin overlooking the mountains
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Under what circumstances do you have random checks?
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Old 09-13-2011, 08:32 AM
 
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To check for illegals
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Old 09-13-2011, 09:00 AM
 
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We should have random checks, because illegal immigration is out of control in this country. Most places you are required to have an id. No one ever refuses to show id at the dmv, library, & getting a bank account. You should be anle to prove who you are.

I say yes we need them.
The DMV, library, and bank are not "most places," and you don't need an ID to be at the library, and a private company not doing business with you unless you do certain things is a LOT DIFFERENT than the government requiring you to do certain things as a matter of day to day existence.

The fact is that citizens do not have to carry ID with them, period. You really want to turn the US into a police state with internal checkpoints?
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Old 09-13-2011, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Pa
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I would be for this for example people lottering outside certain kinds of stores like home depot etc.
I would be for this if police pull a vehicle over for traffic violation all occupants produce ID.
But to walk up to a group of say shoppers doing nothing but shopping? NO
I also have no issue with random check points to verify insurance regestration and drivers license.
For those who say we are not required to carry ID. When operating a vehicle you do.
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:09 AM
 
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The DMV, library, and bank are not "most places," and you don't need an ID to be at the library, and a private company not doing business with you unless you do certain things is a LOT DIFFERENT than the government requiring you to do certain things as a matter of day to day existence.

The fact is that citizens do not have to carry ID with them, period. You really want to turn the US into a police state with internal checkpoints?
Nobody in the world has to carry an ID you are right.

But when it comes time to identify yourself you need one.
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