Las Vegas running out of WATER !!!!! (gallon, birth, illegal immigrants, campaign) - City-Data Forum

Music Junkie · 08-19-2007, 04:11 PM

I've been saying this for a long time. People think the USA has plenty of room, but it doesn't have plenty of fresh water. Las Vegas is not the only place. The entire Southwest USA is in a fresh water crisis.

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Clock is Ticking on Las Vegas' Water Supply

Aug 17, 2007 04:43 PM MDT

The news coming from the Southern Nevada Water Authority Thursday about the valley's future water supply is worrisome. Unless we act quickly, there will be no water for hundreds of thousands of Las Vegas Valley residents in just three years.

Eyewitness News looked deeper into the problem and why time may not be on our side. Not only is this a race against time, but it's going to cost valley residents dearly.

SNWA data shows drought conditions getting worse, not better forcing the general manager of the water authority to ask the board to spend more than $45 million to upgrade water pumps at Lake Mead.

Even if all of the water projects are finished and everything starts working on time, the Southern Nevada Water Authority still predicts a shortage.

That means by 2010, the valley will be short 64-million gallons of water a day.

James T · 08-19-2007, 04:17 PM

But hey, immigration is okay as long as the immigrants have paperwork, according to most neocon dittoheads and Luffasponge O'Reilly watchers..

MovingForward · 08-19-2007, 04:44 PM

Environmental sustainability is the most important reason for the end of illegal immigration, as well as reduced levels of legal immigration, and a reason, as well, for citizens to lower the birth rate. The land can take only what it can take. Nature doesn't care what our politics are. More people=more environmental problems, and with increasingly disastrous results. It's time for us to wake up.

Hawkeye48 · 08-19-2007, 05:04 PM

I agree, and stress on the electrical power grids and sewers are right around the corner as well.

Unfortunately, when some illegal alien in Las Vegas dies of heat stroke sometime in the next couple of years, our politicians will claim it wasn't due to the fact that there are too many illegals here stressing the system. They'll claim the death wouldn't have occured if the illegal was legalized under some amnesty program.

NewToCA · 08-19-2007, 11:14 PM

While completely in agreement with the vast majority of posters concerning the elimination of illegal immigration in the USA, I think you need to take a hard look at overpopulation vs inefficient population distribution problems. The Great Lakes region can handle plenty more folks, and have been losing folks for a long time. One of their major plus items is an abundance of water, and they plan to use this as part of a marketing campaign to reverse their population declines.

So in summary, I think this is a problem of too many folks in an area not suitable to this population level, but not a national problem. Maybe we need a population quota by state.

James T · 08-20-2007, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by NewToCA

While completely in agreement with the vast majority of posters concerning the elimination of illegal immigration in the USA, I think you need to take a hard look at overpopulation vs inefficient population distribution problems. The Great Lakes region can handle plenty more folks, and have been losing folks for a long time. One of their major plus items is an abundance of water, and they plan to use this as part of a marketing campaign to reverse their population declines.

So in summary, I think this is a problem of too many folks in an area not suitable to this population level, but not a national problem. Maybe we need a population quota by state.

Excellent points. Unfortunately, however, most immigrants (read: parasites) want to crowd into already existing enclaves rather than act as pioneers and build their own.

MovingForward · 08-20-2007, 10:11 AM

Yes, it is a national problem. It's not simply a matter of population distribution. The Great Lakes are not empty. If they are over-settled, more ecosystem destruction takes place, which has a negative effect not only on the Great Lakes, but in AZ and FL and NE. I strongly recommend that people read Jared Diamond's "Collapse." Most people do not have an ecological education and are misinformed about how ecology works--which is perfectly understandable, since none of us are ever offered an ecological education (what would the powers-that-be do if we actually knew what they were up to, for profit, in terms of the land and the animals????). It's a very good book about the collapse of various civilizations, in great part due to under-the-radar environmental degradation and destruction. The chapter on Montana is especially sobering, as is the one on Australia. Highly readable, too.

tvdxer · 08-20-2007, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Music Junkie

I've been saying this for a long time. People think the USA has plenty of room, but it doesn't have plenty of fresh water. Las Vegas is not the only place. The entire Southwest USA is in a fresh water crisis.

Las Vegas Now - Breaking News, Local News, Weather, Traffic, Streaming Video, Classifieds, Blogs - Clock is Ticking on Las Vegas' Water Supply

Clock is Ticking on Las Vegas' Water Supply

Aug 17, 2007 04:43 PM MDT

The news coming from the Southern Nevada Water Authority Thursday about the valley's future water supply is worrisome. Unless we act quickly, there will be no water for hundreds of thousands of Las Vegas Valley residents in just three years.

Eyewitness News looked deeper into the problem and why time may not be on our side. Not only is this a race against time, but it's going to cost valley residents dearly.

SNWA data shows drought conditions getting worse, not better forcing the general manager of the water authority to ask the board to spend more than $45 million to upgrade water pumps at Lake Mead.

Even if all of the water projects are finished and everything starts working on time, the Southern Nevada Water Authority still predicts a shortage.

That means by 2010, the valley will be short 64-million gallons of water a day.

Are you sure Mexican illegal immigrants are the only culprits? How about retired Midwesterners coming down and deciding they need a freshly-watered lawn in the middle of the freaking dessert? Do many illegals in AZ or NV have lawns or use golf courses?

The SW USA is the fastest growing region in the country according to the Census, and it's largely, perhaps even mostly, Americans from colder and more humid states moving into sprawling new metropolises of the Southwest - Phoenix, Las Vegas, etc.

And as Bill Bryson said, there are plenty of other reasonable motives to limit immigration into the U.S., but population control isn't one of them. The U.S. fits 31 people into a square kilometer - Mexico fits 55, France 113, and Germany 231.

MovingForward · 08-20-2007, 12:56 PM

And that's how it should stay. Population control is the single most important environmental issue there is: there's not even any question of that among biologists and climate control experts. It's not a question of how many people can "fit" into a square kilometer: it's a question of how many people a particular land mass can ecologically sustain. And the U.S. population--as is--has already surpassed sustainable levels. All that "empty" land needs to stay undeveloped if the ecological balance that remains can even remotely be sustained.

Music Junkie · 08-20-2007, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tvdxer

The SW USA is the fastest growing region in the country according to the Census, and it's largely, perhaps even mostly, Americans from colder and more humid states moving into sprawling new metropolises of the Southwest - Phoenix, Las Vegas, etc.

Yes, man y Northeners and Midwesterners are moving to Las Vegas but the largest amount of new population in that city is coming from Mexicans, read ILLEGALS.