People who don't care about illegal immigration - 'part of the problem?'

[Hawkeye48]

Originally Posted by tablemtn

How so? There aren't even 30 million unemployed Americans. For various reasons, economists consider an unemployment rate around 4% to the "full employment." We are very close to full employment in America, and have been for a while. Illegals certainly haven't prevented this.

Actually we have lost that many jobs to illegal aliens. And these are jobs Americans want and are available for. Millions of Americans have lost full-time jobs and are forced to work two or three part-time jobs just to make ends meet. These are the underemployed. They want to, and are willing to work full-time, but employers prefer to take advantage of the huge labor pool of illegal aliens and refuse to hire them. Remove the illegals and employers will be forced to start hiring full-time works at decent wages and benefits again.

Additionally, millions of Americans have just given up on looking for work. We have huge unemployment in our minority sectors. Literally tens of millions of poor Americans in our inner cities need work. But employers frequently would rather hire illegal aliens instead to save money. We also have millions of retired Americans who would love to work and earn some extra cash, but they are squeezed out of the job market by the illegals who are willing to do almost any job at half the wage.

Also, add in all the jobs that high school and college students used to do. Restaurant work, delivering newspapers, and mowing lawns. These are all done by illegals. Get rid of the illegal aliens and American students will once again start doing these jobs.

But keep in mind. There's no big computer in Washington that says we are at 4% unemployment. It is nothing more than an educated guess that is frequently manipulated by the government, and it doesn't include those who have given up looking for work, like the tens of millions of our own poor inner city citizens. It also doesn't include those working part-time jobs who are looking for full-time jobs. It also doesn't include the retired Americans who want a part-time job but can't find one because the employers choose to hire illegal aliens at have the wage instead. The government sees the number of people applying for unemployment benefits either go up or down and they make an educated guess at what the unemployment rate is.

[Old Man Winter]

I'm starting to wonder if many supporters of illegal immigration are actually business owners that hire them. To have no concern over the issue indicates that a person either lives in another country or in some way is benefitting by them being here. I am tired of paying for them, send them home.

[MovingForward]

Originally Posted by Old Man Winter

I'm starting to wonder if many supporters of illegal immigration are actually business owners that hire them. To have no concern over the issue indicates that a person either lives in another country or in some way is benefitting by them being here. I am tired of paying for them, send them home.

They're either blinkered liberals (and I'm a liberal, btw) or have some kind of investment in them being here (familial or economic or political). Because nobody truly concerned with the increasing degradation of the land base, as well as of American society, due to overpopulation through immigration, could seriously encourage the presence of 20 million uninvited immigrants. To do so implies that the economic and political interests of those immigrants trumps the interests of American society and the sustainable survival of the land. And even if the continued presence of those immigrants were to somehow economically benefit the U.S. (and it won't), that is STILL not reason enough to keep them here, because--as I've stated ad nauseum--that 20 million, which will turn into 100 million over the next generation, will strain the land beyond repair. Sorry if nobody wants to hear that, but minimizing it or pretending that it's not true is a fool's errand.