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Old 09-30-2011, 07:25 AM
 
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We need our border secure before we turn into a narco state and America becomes a war zone.

We don't have a president but a puppet.

illegals from Mexico working for the cartel is reason of enough to enforce immigration laws. Our borders are not secure.

 
Old 09-30-2011, 07:58 AM
 
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Even now after the mass burial pits and 40 bodies dumped on a busy street, no one wants to take these cartels seriously and the border is kept wide open for them to use as they please. The cartels control the borders, they control the illegal smuggling routes - including those of the illegals. They control the trafficking of illegals, the extortion that continues after they made it into the USA.

Now we're seeing a mass exodus of "refugees" and asylum seekers from Mexico but the border remains wide open, what makes these so-called refugees think the cartel members don't have just an easy border to follow them over? The cartel members can come here illegally and legally just as easily as the others and as those who are running from them.
 
Old 09-30-2011, 08:09 AM
 
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We need to do something before its a full blown crises.

We see whats happening at the border.
 
Old 09-30-2011, 08:56 AM
 
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Even now after the mass burial pits and 40 bodies dumped on a busy street, no one wants to take these cartels seriously and the border is kept wide open for them to use as they please. The cartels control the borders, they control the illegal smuggling routes - including those of the illegals. They control the trafficking of illegals, the extortion that continues after they made it into the USA.

Now we're seeing a mass exodus of "refugees" and asylum seekers from Mexico but the border remains wide open, what makes these so-called refugees think the cartel members don't have just an easy border to follow them over? The cartel members can come here illegally and legally just as easily as the others and as those who are running from them.
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Old 09-30-2011, 09:14 AM
 
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We need our border secure before we turn into a narco state and America becomes a war zone.

We don't have a president but a puppet.

illegals from Mexico working for the cartel is reason of enough to enforce immigration laws. Our borders are not secure.
And this is a surprise...why again?

Look, it's our controlled substances policies and our policies on free trade that are driving this insanity. Not to mention our society's insatiable need to get and stay high. We have nobody to blame but ourselves.

These guys have made billions of dollars on the underground market for narcotics. It's like its own corporate enterprise. They've made enough money to build their own high rises, fund their own private armies, and control the government of some Mexican states. And I would not be surprised at all if they have some significant influence over some officials here in this country as well. Let's not be naive about this. They're smart and well-organized, and the only solution is to beat them with brains, not arms and jails.

Our policy on drugs is the place to start. What's needed is a coherent and realistic national policy. State policies for medical marijuana aren't productive, and they might actually be counter-productive in driving up the demand. The key here is to legitimize it by regulating its production and distribution across state lines. Treat pot or even lesser forms of coke the same way we treat alcohol.
 
Old 09-30-2011, 09:25 AM
 
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And this is a surprise...why again?

Look, it's our controlled substances policies and our policies on free trade that are driving this insanity. Not to mention our society's insatiable need to get and stay high. We have nobody to blame but ourselves.

These guys have made billions of dollars on the underground market for narcotics. It's like its own corporate enterprise. They've made enough money to build their own high rises, fund their own private armies, and control the government of some Mexican states. And I would not be surprised at all if they have some significant influence over some officials here in this country as well. Let's not be naive about this. They're smart and well-organized, and the only solution is to beat them with brains, not arms and jails.

Our policy on drugs is the place to start. What's needed is a coherent and realistic national policy. State policies for medical marijuana aren't productive, and they might actually be counter-productive in driving up the demand. The key here is to legitimize it by regulating its production and distribution across state lines. Treat pot or even lesser forms of coke the same way we treat alcohol.
So blame our open border problem...

on our drug problem & ourselves?
 
Old 09-30-2011, 09:30 AM
 
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So blame our open border problem...

on our drug problem & ourselves?
Both the users and the suppliers are to blame. The fact is that the majority of Americans are not drug addicts and "we" that aren't have no control over this.
 
Old 09-30-2011, 09:40 AM
 
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I agree but we still have an obligation to secure our border. Just like protecting a family member with a problem. Secure the community/border & we get rid of the criminals & work on a cure for the addict.
 
Old 09-30-2011, 10:42 AM
 
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It is not a surprise at all...they use street gangs to distribute drugs and do other activities.

The way to beat them is with drones, special forces, and seizing/freezing their assets. They are tough up to the point the CIA, US Army Rangers, and the US Air Force are hunting them down. Look at how Escobar behaved. Cartel higher ups need to be sent to Guantanamo or a secret prison in Europe, Africa, or Asia. They are terrorists.

They need to hunt down and round up illegals. Then they need to place them in FEMA camps we send them back to Mexico. It isn't that tough since they overpopulate specific areas.
 
Old 09-30-2011, 11:59 AM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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And this is a surprise...why again?

Look, it's our controlled substances policies and our policies on free trade that are driving this insanity. Not to mention our society's insatiable need to get and stay high. We have nobody to blame but ourselves.

These guys have made billions of dollars on the underground market for narcotics. It's like its own corporate enterprise. They've made enough money to build their own high rises, fund their own private armies, and control the government of some Mexican states. And I would not be surprised at all if they have some significant influence over some officials here in this country as well. Let's not be naive about this. They're smart and well-organized, and the only solution is to beat them with brains, not arms and jails.

Our policy on drugs is the place to start. What's needed is a coherent and realistic national policy. State policies for medical marijuana aren't productive, and they might actually be counter-productive in driving up the demand. The key here is to legitimize it by regulating its production and distribution across state lines. Treat pot or even lesser forms of coke the same way we treat alcohol.
Look, here's the reality ... these people arent going to just vanish into thin air the moment we legalize pot. They arent going away. Legalization could make them even more desperate and kill even more people.

You don't seem to understand that there is NOTHING between them and us.
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