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Thats the whole thing, in the US is will be based on what group is the focus of illigal imigration talk regardless if they are or are not illegal. I see this at work all the time when we are taraveling and the poor amaerican from Texas who happens to be spanish decent gets hasseled or looked at, or comments made while some of the crew that are foreigners working inthe US on waivers are ignored just cause they are european. we were in Arizona and some group was handing out flyers about supporting illegal immigration law and my (hispanic) co worker was ignored and they didnt hand him anything yet they handed our captain and flight engineer the flyer when they could ahve been the illegal foreigners. In the Us, people will be seeing illegal immigrants in everyone who looks hispanic, where in the UK they will be basing it on if that person doen't seem "British" regardless of the way they look. They will targets whites, arabs, blacks, hispanics, asian. In the US it will probably only be hispanics just cause they are hispanics. just like after 9-11 that guy from India was murdered in revenge because the killer thought he was (appeared) arab.
Thats the whole thing, in the US is will be based on what group is the focus of illigal imigration talk regardless if they are or are not illegal. I see this at work all the time when we are taraveling and the poor amaerican from Texas who happens to be spanish decent gets hasseled or looked at, or comments made while some of the crew that are foreigners working inthe US on waivers are ignored just cause they are european. we were in Arizona and some group was handing out flyers about supporting illegal immigration law and my (hispanic) co worker was ignored and they didnt hand him anything yet they handed our captain and flight engineer the flyer when they could ahve been the illegal foreigners. In the Us, people will be seeing illegal immigrants in everyone who looks hispanic, where in the UK they will be basing it on if that person doen't seem "British" regardless of the way they look. They will targets whites, arabs, blacks, hispanics, asian. In the US it will probably only be hispanics just cause they are hispanics. just like after 9-11 that guy from India was murdered in revenge because the killer thought he was (appeared) arab.
That’s what happens when the majority of illegal aliens are from one ethnic group. If most illegals were Asian, they would get the lion’s share of attention.
So you agree we are not going to attempt to apprehend and deport the illegal horde. So we then leave it as it is so it can swell to 15 million?
Heck no. We just can't appeal to congress for any changes to be made. Get rid of the middle man. Go directly to the head. Or. Start at the state level and force the states to petition the feds for action.
The policy can work in the UK because to them anyone illegally in the UK is suspect. Here in the US only (insert current "illegal immigrant" political soundbite rhetoric here) will be suspect.
In the UK they are just as suspicious of a peron from France as they are from Sweden who they think is an illegal. In the US, you could be a felon wanted for sadistic murder of children and being a cannibal, but if your not spanish looking, nobody will give you a second thought even if you speak no english. But, a person who family has been in the US and fought in the revolutionary war, is hard working and own a business, can't speak a lick of spanish and was a decorated US Marine will be targeted if they look spanish.
That is not true.
Question EVERYBODY. That erases any hint of profiling. Spot checks for 6 months. Unannounced.
Heck no. We just can't appeal to congress for any changes to be made. Get rid of the middle man. Go directly to the head. Or. Start at the state level and force the states to petition the feds for action.
That is simply another version of the do nothing strategy. So you still want to go to 15 million?
Question EVERYBODY. That erases any hint of profiling. Spot checks for 6 months. Unannounced.
That is the wayto do it, but what if good old boy white texan was stopped and asked to produce his paers? You will have people yelling and a screaming asking why mr. white was stopped. But if good old boy hispanic texan was stopped and asked for papers, people will be saying its to curb illegal immigration and they are anti illgal immigration for questioning the stop. like I said, working for a foreign company here in the US, I see the ridiculus illegal immigration fiasco because instead of looking for illegal immigrants, they are looking for hispanic illegal immigrants and let many other illegal immigrants just waltz right past them. Its a joke within the team that our poor amaerican hispanic decent team member (who unless you see him you would think he's just a good old Texan) is scrutinized more than out Russian crew members here in the US. In Russia, everyone is suspect, her, only those who fit a specific look based on the current political needs of some.
I don;t know if you remeber, but the Feds bust a bsuines in Az with dozens of illegal asians working there. Little if any news outside the local news, but some tin shield raids a busines and arrest 1 illegal mexican and its on all the national news and mentioned by every politican who can repeat it. The US says about 10% of illegals are asian. The Pew institute puts it at about 20% and the asian alliance (who have the inside track) puts it closer to 38%. I bet the number of white eurpeans who are illegal in the US is more than triple what americans thinks. I bet there are four times the number of illegal canadians in the Us than we think and they could be eaing diner right next to you and nobody will bat an eye, but that spanish bus boy, bet everyone is secretely saying he's illegal.
the US isn;t serious about illegal immigration, its only used as a sound bite for politicans or a ralley cry for groups (and they may even have white illegals in their ranks).
Question EVERYBODY. That erases any hint of profiling. Spot checks for 6 months. Unannounced.
It is blatantly illegal. In fact unconstitutional. Violates the fourth amendment.
The AZ and other laws tries to get around it by requiring the LEO have some other reason for the stop. But note that the cop has no right to question the driver about anything but driving...and the driver is under no obligation to show anything other than his drivers license, registration and proof of insurance if required.
The cop particularly has no right to question any else in the car and they are under on requirement to identify themselves or answer any questions.
When dealing with the Police the correct answer is always not to answer. You never gain anything from talking to a police officer. It is only a lose situation regardless of your status.
It is blatantly illegal. In fact unconstitutional. Violates the fourth amendment.
The AZ and other laws tries to get around it by requiring the LEO have some other reason for the stop. But note that the cop has no right to question the driver about anything but driving...and the driver is under no obligation to show anything other than his drivers license, registration and proof of insurance if required.
The cop particularly has no right to question any else in the car and they are under on requirement to identify themselves or answer any questions.
When dealing with the Police the correct answer is always not to answer. You never gain anything from talking to a police officer. It is only a lose situation regardless of your status.
You are making claims that don't fit reality.
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"a 2005 U.S. Supreme Court case found that “an officer did not need independent reasonable suspicion to question an individual about her immigration status during the execution of a search warrant,” and the rule applied in this case as well.
Inquiring about a person’s name, date and place of birth, or immigration status does not constitute unreasonable search and seizure under the Fourth Amendment, she said.
Lisi said the trooper had a right to inquire about immigration status after all but four of the occupants of the van“had failed to provide any identification and Chabot’s suspicions reasonably escalated.”
She said that under two Supreme Court decisions,“It is permissible for officers to inquire into the immigration status of individuals without triggering the Fourth Amendment or requiring independent reasonable suspicion.”
The men in the van said they were going to work in Westerly, and immigration was contacted only after learning that most people in the van lacked documentation."
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