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Old 11-03-2011, 03:31 PM
 
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But are you overlooking the simple fact that all those low paid workers are also the ones getting food stamps, housing etc at taxpayer expense? Or is it that if you, personally, can hire someone cheap it's OK to let the taxpayers support your bottom line through taxes?

You may want to check out some of the problems that have arisen from the workmanship of some of this line of cheap labor. Lawsuits can be pricy.
With these greedy employers it isn't about who can do the best job. It is all about paying someone the least amount of money even if it means breaking our laws to line their pockets with more profits. In my world and most fair minded, moral people's minds one would find these employers despicable especially since the taxpayer is having to foot the bill for their social costs. I guess to some money is everything and morals be damned.
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Old 11-03-2011, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Pa
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no, i want to hire the person who does the best job, in the least time for the lowest amount of money possible! every single person on the planet wants the same thing. when we buy something we want the highest quality for the lowest price. i don't care who does the job for me, those are the overiding factors
Nice so Ill sum this up.
Your car is damaged.
You take it to a known cho shop that uses stolen parts. Cheap repair.
They do nice work with stolen parts. Quality
They move you in and out fast never know when the law will show up. Done fast
Thieves like nice things like everyone else.
Got it.
Morals, ethics, and legalities are not a factor.
Got it.
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Old 11-03-2011, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Richland, Washington
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Not all hispanic farmhands are illegal. This is something pro illegals love to ignore. While there are alot of illegal mexicans that work as farm hands, many are also here legally. The processing plant that I worked at only hired legal citizens and they still seem to be in business.
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Old 11-03-2011, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Tempe, Az
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if your kids were starving and breaking immigration laws were all that was holding you back from providing, i'm sure you wouldn't hesitate
We have many Americans who go to bed hungry. They come FIRST. Starving aint a probleme in Mexico. Let the illegal aliens STAY there. Many of them are fat, not skinny.
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Old 11-03-2011, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Tempe, Az
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"When law and morality contradict each other, the citizen has the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law." -Frederic Bastiat

in the same way that i don't think of pot smokers, coke users, moonshiners, raw milk sellers as criminals or breaking the law, i don't see illegals as breaking the law either. someone who comes over here illegally to do an honest job, has their integrity intact in my humble opinion

the govt has no right to give taxpayers money to anyone, legal or illegal
Then be ready to be jailed if picked up by the cops.
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Old 11-03-2011, 06:30 PM
 
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Not all hispanic farmhands are illegal. This is something pro illegals love to ignore. While there are alot of illegal mexicans that work as farm hands, many are also here legally. The processing plant that I worked at only hired legal citizens and they still seem to be in business.

Please point out where anyone has tried to say anything bad about LEGAL immigrants.

When the main stream media started their propaganda war and refused to recognize anyone as being here illegally they tried to give the impression that those opposed to illegal immigration were against immigrants in general. That just isn't true.
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Old 11-03-2011, 07:14 PM
 
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Please point out where anyone has tried to say anything bad about LEGAL immigrants.

When the main stream media started their propaganda war and refused to recognize anyone as being here illegally they tried to give the impression that those opposed to illegal immigration were against immigrants in general. That just isn't true.
Another thing they say to claim that we are against immigrants in general if we dare suggest that legal immigration should be more limited or temporarily stopped until we get our population under control, get the economy going again and clean up this illegal immigration mess. That's like saying I must hate coffee because I only want a half a cup rather than a full one today or maybe coffee has been irritating my stomach lately so I will decline drinking coffee for a short time.
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Old 11-03-2011, 11:42 PM
 
Location: Richland, Washington
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Please point out where anyone has tried to say anything bad about LEGAL immigrants.

When the main stream media started their propaganda war and refused to recognize anyone as being here illegally they tried to give the impression that those opposed to illegal immigration were against immigrants in general. That just isn't true.
I don't think anyone's saying something bad about legal immigrants, although many pro illegals like to say that illegals are necessary for the agricultural business and that without them american agriculture would collapse. The problem with this sort of nonsense is that they completely ignore the fact that there are many migrant farm hands that are here legally. It's not surprising pro illegals like to ignore that fact though. As you say, they like to claim that those of us who are opposed to illegal immigration are therefore anti immigrant, or in many cases they'll start spouting the idea that anti illegals are racist against mexicans despite the fact that most people opposed to illegal immigration don't have problems with legal mexicans.
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Old 11-04-2011, 02:54 AM
 
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With these greedy employers it isn't about who can do the best job. It is all about paying someone the least amount of money even if it means breaking our laws to line their pockets with more profits. In my world and most fair minded, moral people's minds one would find these employers despicable especially since the taxpayer is having to foot the bill for their social costs. I guess to some money is everything and morals be damned.
if i look at the success of walmart, it's clear to me that it's not only greedy employers who want the best possible quality, in the highest possible quantity for the lowest possible price. it's pretty much everyone. in fact i'd argue that it's pretty universal, people everywhere want the same thing
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Old 11-04-2011, 03:37 AM
 
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Nice so Ill sum this up.
Your car is damaged.
You take it to a known cho shop that uses stolen parts. Cheap repair.
They do nice work with stolen parts. Quality
They move you in and out fast never know when the law will show up. Done fast
Thieves like nice things like everyone else.
Got it.
Morals, ethics, and legalities are not a factor.
Got it.

perhaps you see a correlation between stealing and illegal aliens. i personally don't! maybe you think they they are 'stealing' jobs americans are entitled to, i don't. i don't see why someone is more entitled to do a job based on what country they're a citizen of or not and whether our 'wise' overlords in dc have granted them permission to earn a wage here or not. that is my opinion. it doesn't have to be your opinion
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