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Old 10-27-2011, 10:50 AM
 
Location: S. CA
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Originally Posted by Eleanora1 View Post
There's no requirement that someone follow immigration laws if he wishes to be called an immigrant?



Really?

Illegals aren't immigrants. Immigration implies permanency. Illegals can be deported at any time. Immigrant also implies law abiding would be citizen. Illegals are none of these things.

I call them illegals or illegal aliens just to annoy their idiotic supporters.
Read the definition again. Virtually all immigrants can be deported.

They clearly intend to stay permanently whether allowed to or not.

 
Old 10-27-2011, 12:03 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Workaholic? View Post
Everytime I see an article supportive of illegal aliens and illegal immigration as a whole they always use the word "undocumented." As soon as I see the word "undocumented" in a news article I know they are going to be supportive of illegal immigrants, so I stop reading.

Anyone else notice this?
yes, they are trying to make it sound legal, rather then illegal...which it is illegal, but everyone ignores it, and what they are getting away with is not fair to the society of our country, they are draining our systems.

I have no problem with someone in this country legally, as long as they are making an attempt to become an American citizen, and pay they're taxes....just like everyone else....I also have a problem with anyone who leaches off the Welfare Systems all they're lives...

Everyone at some time in they're lives needs help, but...to leach off the systems is wrong, no matter what color your skin is....white, black, yellow, blue, or whatever...and that is not racist...that says fair is fair. Of course when you treat one set of people one way, and another set of people another way, that is definately going to harbor not only resentment, but hostility and shows just how corrupt our country is....
 
Old 10-27-2011, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Originally Posted by tigrs99 View Post
DHS refers them as unauthorized immigrants nowhere they call them illegal immigrants.
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/s...ll_pe_2010.pdf
Really? Note, also GAO and USCIS.

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October 18, 2011 (Philadelphia, Pa.) Customs and Border Protection officers at Philadelphia International Airport arrested an illegal alien Saturday who was wanted in Philadelphia on charges that included sexual assault, corruption of minors and involuntary deviate sexual intercourse.
DHS | Enforcement News

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Illegal border crossings have been significantly reduced, as apprehensions of illegal aliens decreased from 723,825 in FY2008 to 556,041 in FY2009, a 23 percent reduction, in part as the result of increased security along the southwest border.
DHS: Statement by Deputy Press Secretary Matt Chandler on Pew Hispanic Center Report on Unauthorized Immigration Flows

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A more recent study estimated that there were about 10 million illegal aliens living in the United States as of March 2005. The study estimated that nearly 700,000 aliens entered the United States illegally or overstayed their authorized period of stay each year between 2000 and 2004. Some illegal aliens in the United States have been arrested and incarcerated in federal and state prisons and local jails, adding to already overcrowded prisons and jails.

In our population study of 55,322 illegal aliens, we found that they were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien.
U.S. GAO - Information on Certain Illegal Aliens Arrested in the United States

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Certain illegal aliens who were eligible to apply for temporary resident status under the legalization provision of the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986.
USCIS - Legalized Aliens

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Reimbursement of States for costs of incarcerating illegal aliens and certain Cuban nationals.
USCIS - I-Link Reference
 
Old 10-27-2011, 12:23 PM
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Eleanora1 View Post
There's no requirement that someone follow immigration laws if he wishes to be called an immigrant?



Really?

Illegals aren't immigrants. Immigration implies permanency. Illegals can be deported at any time. Immigrant also implies law abiding would be citizen. Illegals are none of these things.

I call them illegals or illegal aliens just to annoy their idiotic supporters.
Legal or otherwise both are considered immigrants
 
Old 10-27-2011, 01:30 PM
 
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Originally Posted by sparkit711 View Post
Read the definition again. Virtually all immigrants can be deported.

They clearly intend to stay permanently whether allowed to or not.
All immigrants can't be deported merely for living in this country. Illegals can. Hence illegals aren't immigrants. It doesn't matter if they intend to stay. They can be asked to leave at any moment.

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Originally Posted by tigrs99 View Post
Legal or otherwise both are considered immigrants
Again no. A legal immigrant is an entirely different person from an illegal alien both legally and morally. If I move into your apartment without your permission that does not mean I am a resident of your home.
 
Old 10-27-2011, 01:46 PM
 
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Originally Posted by sparkit711 View Post
Immigrant has no such requirement

a person who migrates to another country, usually for permanent residence.

No requirement he do so legally.
Go to the DHS site on immigration statistics. The word "legal" appears quite a number of times.

Persons Obtaining Legal Permanent Resident Status: Fiscal Years 1820 to 2010

Persons Obtaining Legal Permanent Resident Status by Region and Selected Country of Last Residence: Fiscal Years 1820 to 2010

Persons Obtaining Legal Permanent Resident Status by Region and Country of Birth: Fiscal Years 2001 to 2010

Persons Obtaining Legal Permanent Resident Status by State or Territory of Residence: Fiscal Years 2001 to 2010
 
Old 10-27-2011, 01:53 PM
 
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Originally Posted by tigrs99 View Post
Legal or otherwise both are considered immigrants
We are categorizing the legality.
 
Old 10-27-2011, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Tempe, Az
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Originally Posted by tigrs99 View Post
Legal or otherwise both are considered immigrants
An both are called ALIENS to, even legal ones. Most of us who DONT want illegal aliens here call them just that. Most of us here who like legal immigrants call them that.
 
Old 10-27-2011, 07:40 PM
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Location: My ranch
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Originally Posted by Workaholic? View Post
Everytime I see an article supportive of illegal aliens and illegal immigration as a whole they always use the word "undocumented." As soon as I see the word "undocumented" in a news article I know they are going to be supportive of illegal immigrants, so I stop reading.

Anyone else notice this?

I dont even like using the word illegal, I prefer the word criminal. after all criminals are the people that break the law, hence the name of criminal aliens is more appropiate.
 
Old 10-27-2011, 09:55 PM
 
Location: S. CA
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Originally Posted by monkeywrenching View Post
I dont even like using the word illegal, I prefer the word criminal. after all criminals are the people that break the law, hence the name of criminal aliens is more appropiate.
There are criminal aliens. Both legal and illegal. Different subject.
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