Judge says you can't wear clothing with American flag on Cinco De Mayo at High School (illegal, christmas)

[chele123]

It should NEVER be an issue to display the American flag in the United States. There is no requirement to celebrate Cinco de Mayo. If celebrating Cinco do Mayo upsets some students then it should be banned.

Originally Posted by Vicman

Uhm, this wasn't a popularity contest between the two flags. It was a "should school administrators ban symbols to stop fights from breaking out"

Mexican flags are supposed to be worn during Cinco de Mayo, and in that context they were not being used to harass non-Mexican/White students. The American flags were being used to antagonize Mexican students.

[Matt Kim]

Whose fault is it if Mexicans are antagonized by the American flag?

[Vicman]

If you say "It should NEVER be an issue to display the American flag in the United States" then you should be condemning the students who used it in that way.

If somebody at a school, while in the cafeteria, took a dump on an American flag and started yelling "USA!" while encouraging more people to do the same, wouldn't that be an issue too?

"There is no requirement to celebrate Cinco de Mayo. If celebrating Cinco do Mayo upsets some students then it should be banned." - The celebration of "American" holidays (Cinco de Mayo itself is not a big deal in Mexico, but outside of Mexico it is used as a holiday to celebrate Mexican culture) shouldn't offend other people. There is rationality and irrationality on offenses.

A White student who says "it offends me that Jose and Samantha are celebrating Cinco de Mayo" is not acting in a rational manner
A Hispanic student who says "David is shouting 'USA' at me while I wear a Mexico shirt at Cinco de Mayo" is acting in a rational manner

Originally Posted by chele123

It should NEVER be an issue to display the American flag in the United States. There is no requirement to celebrate Cinco de Mayo. If celebrating Cinco do Mayo upsets some students then it should be banned.

The Americans who defile the flag by using it in that manner,

Originally Posted by Matt Kim

Whose fault is it if Mexicans are antagonized by the American flag?

Matthew Kim, chele123, I think your posts are not reflecting well-informed, reasonable viewpoints. The viewpoint that should be reflected on every post is that it's inappropriate to use the American flag to taunt people on the base of ethnicity/race.

You can still argue that the administrator ban is inappropriate and that the judge ruled incorrectly - you will have to use the correct viewpoint that the White students were wrong in using the flag in that way, and build from that viewpoint.

[Matt Kim]

Originally Posted by Vicman

A White student who says "it offends me that Jose and Samantha are celebrating Cinco de Mayo" is not acting in a rational manner
A Hispanic student who says "David is shouting 'USA' at me while I wear a Mexico shirt at Cinco de Mayo" is acting in a rational manner

Whose rules are those?

What country does that work in?

[Vicman]

Those rules are society's rules
That country is the United States

Originally Posted by Matt Kim

Whose rules are those?

What country does that work in?

[chele123]

It would appear the only viewpoint you consider correct is your own. I don't find your argument rational nor do I find it correct.

Originally Posted by Vicman

If you say "It should NEVER be an issue to display the American flag in the United States" then you should be condemning the students who used it in that way.

If somebody at a school, while in the cafeteria, took a dump on an American flag and started yelling "USA!" while encouraging more people to do the same, wouldn't that be an issue too?

"There is no requirement to celebrate Cinco de Mayo. If celebrating Cinco do Mayo upsets some students then it should be banned." - The celebration of "American" holidays (Cinco de Mayo itself is not a big deal in Mexico, but outside of Mexico it is used as a holiday to celebrate Mexican culture) shouldn't offend other people. There is rationality and irrationality on offenses.

A White student who says "it offends me that Jose and Samantha are celebrating Cinco de Mayo" is not acting in a rational manner
A Hispanic student who says "David is shouting 'USA' at me while I wear a Mexico shirt at Cinco de Mayo" is acting in a rational manner



The Americans who defile the flag by using it in that manner,



Matthew Kim, chele123, I think your posts are not reflecting well-informed, reasonable viewpoints. The viewpoint that should be reflected on every post is that it's inappropriate to use the American flag to taunt people on the base of ethnicity/race.

You can still argue that the administrator ban is inappropriate and that the judge ruled incorrectly - you will have to use the correct viewpoint that the White students were wrong in using the flag in that way, and build from that viewpoint.

[Vicman]

1. Firstly, there are two separate questions that are floating around here:
* 1. Is it okay for the USA flag to be used in the manner that it was?
* 2. Should the school administration have banned the American flag in the manner that it did
This thread should focus on 2. 1. shouldn't even be in debate.

2. It's totally acceptable for members on a forum to say "only one viewpoint is acceptable" for a particular question. Do you think a question on "should racial discrimination be introduced back to the United States" would last on here? No. Would it be acceptable to say "it's not okay to reject the pro-discrimination viewpoint" on here? No. Would it be acceptable to even allow posts that advocate for racial discrimination? No.

While "1." is not quite on the same wavelength, it shows you that there are questions where there is only one right answer, and that it would be inappropriate to pretend that the "other" answer should even be taken seriously.

A good message board knows when to cut the discussion short, when to edit posts, when to remove posts, etc.

With that in mind, the discussion needs to focus on "2. Should the school administration have banned the American flag in the manner that it did" - "1. Is it okay for the USA flag to be used in the manner that it was?" should not be debated.

Originally Posted by chele123

It would appear the only viewpoint you consider correct is your own. I don't find your argument rational nor do I find it correct.

[Matt Kim]

Originally Posted by Vicman

Those rules are society's rules
That country is the United States

What other country does that work in?

Who is obligated to let foreigners shout you down?

[KickAssArmyChick]

Originally Posted by Matt Kim

What other country does that work in?

Who is obligated to let foreigners shout you down?

Nobody is obligated but the United States, remember?

Everyone has the right to tell foreigners to GTFO or to go F themselves but if we do the same, oh boy...

We are the only country in the world that will take stuff laying down. All because of Political Correctness. It is such BS. I am sick of it.

This is the United States of America. Our flag has 50 stars in a blue rectangle, thirteen red horizontal stripes that alternate with white stripes.

If someone has a problem with that, too freaking bad. People have served and died for that flag.

[emotionalintel]

Originally Posted by Hwy phantom

It's okay for kids to wear Mexican flag clothing but not American flags at California High school.

A federal court has ruled that school administrators had the right to order California high school students to remove displays of the American flag from their clothing on Cinco De Mayo.


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