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Old 11-12-2011, 08:53 PM
 
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You have two families: "Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal". Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California .

Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.

Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".

Ready? Now pay attention....

Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.

Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.0 0 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $24,031.00.

Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics and emergency hospitals at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.

Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps, WIC and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has 9,631 .00.

Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month Federal Rent Subsidy. Jose Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for car insurance. Some of that is uninsured motorist insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.

Jose Illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance!" and still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc..

Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month..

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.

Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same elementary school.

Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches, while Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored lunch.

Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal's children go home.

Now, when they reach college age, Joe Legal's kids may not get into a State School and may not qualify for scholarships, grants or other tuition help, even though Joe has been paying for State Schools through his taxes, while Jose Illegal's kids "go to the head of the class" because they are a minority.


 
Old 11-12-2011, 09:11 PM
 
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You have to make several assumptions for this particular scenario right?

First of all, are the two children citizens or are they also illegal?
 
Old 11-12-2011, 09:23 PM
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Location: Denver
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Give Jose Illegal a Social Security number.

Problem solved.
 
Old 11-12-2011, 09:31 PM
 
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Originally Posted by plwhit View Post
You have two families: "Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal". Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California .

Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.

Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".

Ready? Now pay attention....

Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.

Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.0 0 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $24,031.00.

Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics and emergency hospitals at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.

Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps, WIC and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has 9,631 .00.

Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month Federal Rent Subsidy. Jose Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for car insurance. Some of that is uninsured motorist insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.

Jose Illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance!" and still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc..

Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month..

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.

Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same elementary school.

Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches, while Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored lunch.

Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal's children go home.

Now, when they reach college age, Joe Legal's kids may not get into a State School and may not qualify for scholarships, grants or other tuition help, even though Joe has been paying for State Schools through his taxes, while Jose Illegal's kids "go to the head of the class" because they are a minority.

 
Old 11-13-2011, 05:19 AM
 
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Give Jose Illegal a Social Security number.

Problem solved.
Yeah right !!!
Then Jose gets his siblings Juan, Julio, Maria, Miguel, Julia and his cousins and their kids to Illegally invade and you're back to square 1.

Problem greatly multiplied a fact you simply overlooked.

The very reason we went from 3- 4 million during the Reagan Amnesty to the 15- 20 million now.
 
Old 11-13-2011, 07:26 AM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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Give Jose Illegal a Social Security number.

Problem solved.

Yes, because rewarding LAW BREAKERS is exactly what we should do.

Have you learned anything from 1986?

Tell them it is OKAY to come here illegally and they WILL keep coming.

Deport. Problem solved.
 
Old 11-13-2011, 07:31 AM
 
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Yeah right !!!
Then Jose gets his siblings Juan, Julio, Maria, Miguel, Julia and his cousins and their kids to Illegally invade and you're back to square 1.

Problem greatly multiplied a fact you simply overlooked.

The very reason we went from 3- 4 million during the Reagan Amnesty to the 15- 20 million now.
Yes, and we don't need all the added population from legalizating them and all of their relatives because we don't have the jobs and resources to sustain them. Not only that but since most illegals are from Mexico and other Latin countries how is that fair to all the other potential immigrants from other ethnic groups/countries? What about diversity and the melting pot? What about the dilution of our culture and language from too many "immigrants" from one ethnic group/nation?
 
Old 11-13-2011, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Originally Posted by KickAssArmyChick View Post
Yes, because rewarding LAW BREAKERS is exactly what we should do.

Have you learned anything from 1986?

Tell them it is OKAY to come here illegally and they WILL keep coming.

Deport. Problem solved.



Quote:
Deport. Problem solved.

This x 12,000,000-20,000,000
 
Old 11-13-2011, 07:38 AM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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Yes, and we don't need all the added population from legalizating them and all of their relatives because we don't have the jobs and resources to sustain them. Not only that but since most illegals are from Mexico and other Latin countries how is that fair to all the other potential immigrants from other ethnic groups/countries? What about diversity and the melting pot? What about the dilution of our culture and language from too many "immigrants" from one ethnic group/nation?
Diversity nowadays = from Mexico, Central and South America. Scr ew the rest of the world!
 
Old 11-13-2011, 09:24 AM
 
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That's why the Mexicans are sending BILLIONS of dollars out of the USA every month. Remittance money to Mexico only rose when the American economy faced a recession. Many Americans are not doing so well, have barely enough income to pay their bills and buy food, yet the Mexicans have so many hundreds of dollars left over each month, they can easily wire that money back to Mexico.
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