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Old 11-13-2011, 11:30 AM
 
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I find it funny how most people who are anti-immigrant are Ron Paul Supporters when he is all for immigration.


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Old 11-13-2011, 04:53 PM
 
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I could never bring myself to vote for any open borders candidate.
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Old 11-13-2011, 04:56 PM
 
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Heh, Ron Paul just moved up another notch on the loony meter.
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Old 11-13-2011, 05:01 PM
 
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I find it funny how most people who are anti-immigrant are Ron Paul Supporters when he is all for immigration.


Ron Paul on Immigration, Communism, and Drugs (1988 - Part 4) - YouTube
There is a difference between immigration and Illegal immigration. Please get that right. I'm all for immigration, but I am against illegal immigration. We need legal immigration policies because we must regulate and control immigration, in order to balance population growth with available finite resources to support it with. That is also why I am against open borders, and, though I believe Ron Paul speaks the truth as it concerns foreign policy, current and historical, and the economy and the Federal Reserve, I am conflicted about supporting him. That and his pro stance on free trade, which I am also against.
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Old 11-13-2011, 05:12 PM
 
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I don't agree with his free trade and open borders views either, but he balances out his open borders with no welfare state. In other words, no immigrant, legal or illegal, gets access to any government services and he doesn't support birthright citizenship. So, illegals would have access to zero benefits, and neither will their children. It's the you can come here but you need to get by on your own without any help from the government or you're gone view on immigration, like how it was during the Ellis Island times. By the way, Ron Paul advocates for free trade, but no tax breaks or other incentives for companies to relocate somewhere else like the current policy.

Like the poster above me, no one can 100% support a politician. I don't support Ron Paul 100%, but I'm still going to vote for him. I don't agree with Dennis Kucinich's socialist views either, but I'd still vote for him because he's anti-corruption like Ron Paul
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Old 11-13-2011, 05:19 PM
 
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I don't agree with his free trade and open borders views either, but he balances out his open borders with no welfare state. In other words, no immigrant, legal or illegal, gets access to any government services and he doesn't support birthright citizenship. So, illegals would have access to zero benefits, and neither will their children. By the way, Ron Paul advocates for free trade, but no tax breaks or other incentives for companies to relocate somewhere else like the current policy.

Like the poster above me, no one can 100% support a politician. I don't support Ron Paul 100%, but I'm still going to vote for him. I don't agree with Dennis Kucinich's socialist views either, but I'd still vote for him because he's anti-corruption like Ron Paul
I want to be like you, but lets face the sad truth: both establishment Republicans and Democrats want to keep the status quo and don't like truth-tellers exposing their secrets and lies, so Ron Paul will never win. Better to pick the lesser of two evils, then elect Congress people and local and state politicians who may have more of your interests at heart to counter and better balance out the elite's agendas.
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Old 11-13-2011, 05:21 PM
 
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I want to be like you, but lets face the sad truth: both establishment Republicans and Democrats want to keep the status quo and don't like truth-tellers exposing their secrets and lies, so Ron Paul will never win. Better to pick the lesser of two evils, then elect Congress people and local and state politicians who may have more of your interests at heart to counter and better balance out the elite's agendas.
But that's exactly the problem why Ron Paul "can't win" because the public buys into the myth that you have to elect the "mainstream, electable" person, when it was those same "electable" people that ran this country into the ground. You don't have to agree with Ron Paul 100%, I don't. For me, being against corruption, and having the voting record to prove it, is good enough for me.
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Old 11-13-2011, 05:21 PM
 
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I don't agree with his free trade and open borders views either, but he balances out his open borders with no welfare state. In other words, no immigrant, legal or illegal, gets access to any government services and he doesn't support birthright citizenship. So, illegals would have access to zero benefits, and neither will their children. It's the you can come here but you need to get by on your own without any help view on immigration, like the mass immigration policy through Ellis Island. By the way, Ron Paul advocates for free trade, but no tax breaks or other incentives for companies to relocate somewhere else like the current policy.

Like the poster above me, no one can 100% support a politician. I don't support Ron Paul 100%, but I'm still going to vote for him. I don't agree with Dennis Kucinich's socialist views either, but I'd still vote for him because he's anti-corruption like Ron Paul
Ron Paul actually goes further than even Obama and Bush on open borders. It appears that Paul basically wants a One-World policy -- every one in the world can simply pack up and come to the USA -- and of course vote for their favorite Socialists just like they do in California.

Allowing in every person of any third world country will not make us a free country -- quite the contrary. The minute soft-hearted Americans see little kids selling chicklets on a street corner, they will fall for more welfare and food stamps for all these poor people moving in -- which they will do and by the tens of millions.

There are many people in the world who would jump at the chance to work for $2 an hour but then once here they will demand taxpayers come up with programs to support their "American Dream" just like we're seeing now with illegals insisting they have a right to college financial aid --which they will get ahead of Americans.
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Old 11-13-2011, 05:24 PM
 
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Ron Paul actually goes further than even Obama and Bush on open borders. It appears that Paul basically wants a One-World policy -- every one in the world can simply pack up and come to the USA -- and of course vote for their favorite Socialists just like they do in California.

Allowing in every person of any third world country will not make us a free country -- quite the contrary. The minute soft-hearted Americans see little kids selling chicklets on a street corner, they will fall for more welfare and food stamps for all these poor people moving in -- which they will do and by the tens of millions.

There are many people in the world who would jump at the chance to work for $2 an hour but then once here they will demand taxpayers come up with programs to support their "American Dream" just like we're seeing now with illegals insisting they have a right to college financial aid --which they will get ahead of Americans.
Ron Paul doesn't believe in any form of welfare. The immigrants that would come here would have to sink or swim on their own merits like the people who came through Ellis Island. There would be no benefits to take advantage of at all, because they won't exist in the first place. The only benefits immigrants would be able to get are privately funded charities and such. A lot of people came to the U.S. when we had open borders at Ellis Island, and many returned because they couldn't make it. There was no government program to hold their hand
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Old 11-13-2011, 05:31 PM
 
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Ron Paul doesn't believe in any form of welfare. The immigrants that would come here would have to sink or swim on their own merits like the people who came through Ellis Island. There would be no benefits to take advantage of at all, because they won't exist in the first place. The only benefits immigrants would be able to get are privately funded charities and such. A lot of people came to the U.S. when we had open borders at Ellis Island, and many returned because they couldn't make it. There was no government program to hold their hand
The problem for him would be that while enough would fully support his open borders stance -- let anyone whatsoever come on over -- ending all the welfare programs wouldn't be so easy.

Keep in mind their "American Dream" almost never includes paying for it all themselves -- just like with the Dream Act types.

They'll gladly come in under Ron Paul's open borders offer but then they'll vote for the politicans that promise them great things -- one reason California is electing the types of politicans it is.
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