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Old 11-22-2011, 08:48 PM
 
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In this particular case he isn't an "immigrant": He's staying at a hotel, driving a rental car (probably not a Mercedes)...

His (non-immigrant) visa would be imprinted in the German passport, which he wasn't carrying...

So, he didn't fulfill the "requirement" to carry his passport/visa, should he be charged under the Alabama law as misdemeanor, and be turned over to be deported (violating conditions would also crimp any future travel to the United States for awhile)?...

Why doesn't anyone want the full effect of the law on this German?...
Well because like you said, he's not even an "immigrant", he's a visitor and doesn't need to be deported because he's going home at some point anyhow.

How about all travelers forgetting their passports or whatever it is they were supposed to keep with them being treated the same? If they can retrieve their documents quickly, then no big deal, we're a very lenient country after all. But if they're breaking the terms of that visa or are otherwise here illegally then give them a quick boot out.
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Old 11-22-2011, 08:49 PM
 
Location: California
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Is there an example of someone a foreigner being arrested as opposed to being merely detained for having left their passport at their hotel?
Arrested for not providing ID Card or Passport: EU national doesn’t have their passport or ID card? « freedom of movement in the EU

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“On 3 December 2001, Mr Oulane was stopped by the Netherlands authorities on grounds of suspicion of illegal residence. During questioning, Mr Oulane, who did not have any identity documents in his possession, stated that he was a French national staying in the Netherlands for approximately three months on holiday. The Netherlands authorities detained him with a view to deportation on the grounds, inter alia, that there was a risk that he would seek to evade deportation.”
How about an Irish man in Ireland.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...293137954.html
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Guo was arrested for failing to produce a valid passport or other equivalent documents. He was brought to Kevin Street station and detained for three hours until his wife brought his passport to prove his identity.

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Old 11-22-2011, 08:54 PM
 
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In this particular case he isn't an "immigrant": He's staying at a hotel, driving a rental car (probably not a Mercedes)...

His (non-immigrant) visa would be imprinted in the German passport, which he wasn't carrying...

So, he didn't fulfill the "requirement" to carry his passport/visa, should he be charged under the Alabama law as misdemeanor, and be turned over to be deported (violating conditions would also crimp any future travel to the United States for awhile)?...

Why doesn't anyone want the full effect of the law on this German?...
People from Germany dont need a visa for stay upto
90 days as they part of visa waiver countries
he prob just had i-94w stapled to his passport
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Old 11-22-2011, 08:59 PM
 
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Arrested for not providing ID Card or Passport: EU national doesn’t have their passport or ID card? « freedom of movement in the EU

This was but quick search, there may be more.
This news item is bogus EU nationals dont need permission
to be in any member country They can even work in any member
country of EU Both France and netherlands are part of EU
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Old 11-22-2011, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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...But if they're breaking the terms of that visa or are otherwise here illegally then give them a quick boot out.
Extended to fraudulent misuse of the Visa Waiver Program?...
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Old 11-22-2011, 09:06 PM
 
Location: California
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This news item is bogus EU nationals dont need permission
to be in any member country They can even work in any member
country of EU Both France and netherlands are part of EU
Sorry, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Funny how you claim an actual EU court case as bogus. EU Nationals must apply for residence if they plan on moving to another state rather than the one they are nationals of.
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Old 11-22-2011, 09:08 PM
 
Location: California
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Extended to fraudulent misuse of the Visa Waiver Program?...
You are extending the "crimes of moral turpitude" to that of an infraction that would be worthy of a citation and fine.
What, by the German Exec, was "fraudulent misuse"? VWP allows for business while here.

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Old 11-22-2011, 09:16 PM
 
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I don't remember posting that anyone should report it to ICE.
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You are over reaching (putting the cart before the horse) with your claim thinking he should be turned over for simply "violating" the condition of not having his passport on him. Should he be charged under Alabama law, yes, he should be fined to cover costs. ICE wouldn't detain him simply because his buddies brought his passport to the jail, had he not been able to produce his passport then yes ICE should have detained him for deportation. He's now in the sysytem provided the jail fingerprinted him, and I'll bet he never forgets his passport again or lets it out of arms reach along with his DL. In Europe and every other nation you never leave your country without keeping it on you or within arms reach, there should be no difference here.
Even if you dont have documents ICE dont detain you
it takes them 2 mins to verify your status on their computer
Alabama state cant verify status without ICE help
It would have been much better if police contacted ICE
and verified status of the person wouldnt have taken more than
2-3 mins
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Old 11-22-2011, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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You are extending the "crimes of moral turpitude" to that of an infraction that would be worthy of a citation and fine.
What, by the German Exec, was "fraudulent misuse"? VWP allows for business while here.
No, the German manager wasn't on the Visa Waiver Program if he had a visa (and the more common B2 "Tourist" visa disallows work). VWP allows for some work situations, but there are conditions that can be violated for certain employments (in addition to performing or entertainment-based and journalism) and company structures. The cases I am objecting to are immigrant-intent while under the VWP.
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Old 11-22-2011, 09:53 PM
 
Location: California
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No, the German manager wasn't on the Visa Waiver Program if he had a visa (and the more common B2 "Tourist" visa disallows work). VWP allows for some work situations, but there are conditions that can be violated for certain employments (in addition to performing or entertainment-based and journalism) and company structures. The cases I am objecting to are immigrant-intent while under the VWP.
The leading sentence to the article states he was here on business (to include the fact that he was staying in a hotel), which would lean more towards the VWP vs having an actual visa (living here) and spending some time here.
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