The "Hispanic vote" revolves around immigration policies? (illegal immigration, law, Mexican)

[looking4answers12]

Originally Posted by malamute

Obviously the politicians and political parties don't believe that's true.

The approach the politicans take is that the "hispanic" vote wants unlimited immigration from their own countries, they want the USA to become a Spanish speaking nation, and they don't give a damn about taxes, jobs for US citizens, or anything else.

Well, those politicians are wrong.

That's what I hate about politics. Are they supposed to be representing us, guiding us, or manipulating us? It seems like most of them focus on the latter two.

Originally Posted by EdwardA

Another little secret is Hispanics have woeful turnout numbers.

Not where I live! But I recognize that's just a small portion of the country.

[chicagonut]

Originally Posted by EdwardA

It's a tap dance. Yes Hispanics may prove important but move too far to the Left on this issue your base deserts you and independents flee as well.

The best approach for a GOP candidate is to say we are going to enforce the laws on the books, period.

The Dems are the ones losing the white working class votes in droves. There are just not that many eligible Hispanics to make up the difference. Another little secret is Hispanics have woeful turnout numbers.

Jan Brewer won by 20 points last year. Before she signed 1070 she was tied and some polls had her behind. To me that says all I need to know about Hispanic voting power.

Yes, the stats are that only 10 million Hispanics voted in the last election. Non-hispanics accounted for the rest of the votes by a large margin. Perhaps, they should stop puffing up their chests as to how important the Hispanic vote is.

[chicagonut]

Originally Posted by looking4answers12

hmmm
Maybe we would benefit from the positive things that their culture could contribute. Like <gasp> strong family bonds (something which some apparently thing is wrong). Great FOOD! Lively music. And willingness to work their rear ends off for the money they earn...

Those positive traits could fit any ethnic group in this country. Hispanics don't hold the market on them. Sounds like a case of inflated ego to me.

[looking4answers12]

Originally Posted by chicagonut

Those positive traits could fit any ethnic group in this country. Hispanics don't hold the market on them. Sounds like a case of inflated ego to me.

Of course they fit any ethnic group. That doesn't mean that adding those particular positive trains into our lives would not further enrich our country and our lives. No inflated ego here. I enjoy learning from ALL ethnicities, nationalities etc etc.

By the way...I was thinking of asking earlier, but got sidetracked.

Are we talking "Hispanics" in general here, or are we talking about a particular group of Hispanics. We aren't all the same you know?

But, perhaps some think we are...

[SoEdible]

Originally Posted by looking4answers12

Sorry! Completely missed the quotes and the link to the article.
I don't think think the Hispanic vote revolves around immigration. But, IF it did, it would proably be because this is a very important issue for them.

The sad truth is that MANY voters are single minded and don't comprehend how friggin complicated things are in this country, in this world, in life...Not just hispanics.

I think SOME Hispanics are no different than any other "group" of Americans that have a specific agenda, and can't (or won't) look at the whole picture.

There are white people who didn't vote for Obama for the simple reason that he was black. (I spoke to someone who admited this to me).

I am sure there are black people who vote for candidates based on what they think they can do for them.

Christians, vote for people who show some leanings toward their beliefs

Gay Americans want people in office who will stand up for what their needs and beliefs are.

As for "special treatment". Some don't see it as "special" treatment, but humane treatment. (Not going to get into a debate on immigration issues any time soon).

I happen to believe that there is more than one point of view on any given issue and sometimes neither side is right or wrong, they just have different perspectives.

Of course, my way of thinking does make it REALLY hard to decide on who to vote for sometimes!

I agree that other groups DO have special motives, but being a Black American, I don't think it is right to give a job to a "minority" because of Affirmative Action. I believe that discrimination happens in the recruiting and hiring process, but I don't think it is fair to give a job to a less-qualified person just because of race.

With that said, I don't believe in this idea that Hispanics should vote for the candidate that is going to help their "bretheren" stay in the country even though they are illegal. I have a problem with the race-connection within politics. We should be one, one U.S. with a desire to do what is best for people here, not what is best for just one group based on race or culture.

[SoEdible]

Originally Posted by looking4answers12

I take it your against gay marriage too.

How about instead of special treatment and saying "oh, they are breaking the laws" we CHANGE the laws. That is still part of the American way, isn't it? Being able to change laws when appropriate?

Funny thing is...I understand why we might want to limit people coming into our country. We can barely take care of ourselves. I get that. I just object to the way people love to generalize and what the real motivation is behind other people's "issues" with "illegal" immigrants.

How about we come down on the businesses that contribute to hiring and exploiting those "illegals". Isn't THAT illegal?

I think it is really uncalled for and out-of-the-blue that you would assume that I or anyone else in this conversation is against gay marriage. How did you come up with that question based on what I've said? Against? Where did I ever say I was against anything in this thread before your reply?

[looking4answers12]

Originally Posted by SoEdible

I think it is really uncalled for and out-of-the-blue that you would assume that I or anyone else in this conversation is against gay marriage. How did you come up with that question based on what I've said? Against? Where did I ever say I was against anything in this thread before your reply?

I think we've gone off topic (my fault) but a quick answer to your question would be, at the time that I posed that, I got the impression that you were probably a closed minded biggot. But at this point, I'm kind of ready to leave this topic behind, so we (or I) don't run it further off into a ditch.

If you feel it was uncalled for, I appoligize. I really didn't come to this forum to get drawn into these heated and sometimes nasty debates, so I'm trying to back off. I hope you can understand that.

[chicagonut]

Originally Posted by looking4answers12

Of course they fit any ethnic group. That doesn't mean that adding those particular positive trains into our lives would not further enrich our country and our lives. No inflated ego here. I enjoy learning from ALL ethnicities, nationalities etc etc.

By the way...I was thinking of asking earlier, but got sidetracked.

Are we talking "Hispanics" in general here, or are we talking about a particular group of Hispanics. We aren't all the same you know?

But, perhaps some think we are...

If those traits fit any ethnic group then why did you just single out Hispanics in your post?

My objection is to Hispanics that are here illegally and the Hispanic citizens who advocate for them based on ethnic ties. I have no problem with loyal Hispanic-Americans.

[chicagonut]

Originally Posted by looking4answers12

I think we've gone off topic (my fault) but a quick answer to your question would be, at the time that I posed that, I got the impression that you were probably a closed minded biggot. But at this point, I'm kind of ready to leave this topic behind, so we (or I) don't run it further off into a ditch.

If you feel it was uncalled for, I appoligize. I really didn't come to this forum to get drawn into these heated and sometimes nasty debates, so I'm trying to back off. I hope you can understand that.

Where in the world did you get the impression that SoEdible is a close-minded bigot? Bigoted about what? He is a black American so if anyone has experienced bigotry it would be someone like him.

[looking4answers12]

Originally Posted by chicagonut

If those traits fit any ethnic group then why did you just single out Hispanics in your post?

Because, although the different cultures ALL have great foods, traditions, art etc. They all have differences in those things and forgive me, but I enjoy variety, and I think bringing other cultures into this country can be seen as a benefit.

As I said in an earlier post, I get some of the objections to illegal immigrants. I do have an issue when people make statements, where it sounds like they are generalizing about an entire group.