A Reader in Spain Fears Immigration Will Take His Country The Way Of The United States (middle east, website)

[James T]

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In Spain most Latin American immigrants are from Peru and Ecuador.

Yet they behave the same way as the Mexicans and Central Americans do in Los Angeles--- meeting in large numbers at parks, with the same undesirable side effects.

Ten years ago, when almost no Latin immigrant lived in Spain, some among us liked to think of the so-called "special cultural links" we had with South America.

But now that they are here, we’re shocked to see how different from us they are.

Here in Spain we have the same politically correct speech about integration, but I am afraid that we are following the same wrong path the US has taken.

Immigrants have created enclaves and the gap between the political elite and the common people is widening.

It is interesting to read articles in VDARE.COM just to watch what Spain’s future will soon be.

VDARE.com: Today’s Letter: A Reader in Spain Fears Immigration Will Take His Country The Way Of The United States

Where exactly can Westerners hide from this, short of the moon?

[Hawkeye48]

I hope they wise up. The key is going to be whether or not their leaders sell them out or not. The reason we have an illegal alien problem is Bush and the rest of Washington want them here. He wants a NAU and integrating the populations is a key goal. If Spain isn't careful, illegal aliens from the Americas will not only infest Spain, but they will use Spain to gain a foothold into the entire European Union.

[macmeal]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye48

I hope they wise up. The key is going to be whether or not their leaders sell them out or not. The reason we have an illegal alien problem is Bush and the rest of Washington want them here. He wants a NAU and integrating the populations is a key goal. If Spain isn't careful, illegal aliens from the Americas will not only infest Spain, but they will use Spain to gain a foothold into the entire European Union.

At the very least, though, Spain's new immigrants will not be insisting that "everything be translated into Spanish"

Seriously, though, Spain is part of the "western world" and has a free, open, "caring", and democratic society. Its appeal to immigrants is the same as any other similar "western" culture's.

[briarwood]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye48

I hope they wise up. The key is going to be whether or not their leaders sell them out or not. The reason we have an illegal alien problem is Bush and the rest of Washington want them here. He wants a NAU and integrating the populations is a key goal. If Spain isn't careful, illegal aliens from the Americas will not only infest Spain, but they will use Spain to gain a foothold into the entire European Union.

Yeah, but let's be real here: I'll take "Europo" over "Eurabia". Latin American migration is vastly superior to the Muslim/Nigerian one.

[macmeal]

Originally Posted by briarwood

Yeah, but let's be real here: I'll take "Europo" over "Eurabia". Latin American migration is vastly superior to the Muslim/Nigerian one.

And also, much as we complain and gripe (and rightfully so) American democracy, SO FAR, is far more able to "assimilate" others than European society is. The problem we have is not so much immigration, as it is immigration at such a rapid rate that the immigrants can't possibly assimilate without making extraordinary effort. It's much easier to just "coast along",even though Spanish language TV is heavy with ads for various schemes to "learn English".
Even the muslims who've immigrated here in recent years seem to feel much more identification with America than the immigrant muslims in Europe feel for their "host" countries.
Our situation here is difficult, but not nearly as hopeless, it seems, as the situation in Europe. There's still hope for us to integrate newcomers and impress upon them the value of becoming "Americans". Many of them are doing just that, but of course, that doesn't make a good news story.

[DontH8Me]

Originally Posted by briarwood

Yeah, but let's be real here: I'll take "Europo" over "Eurabia". Latin American migration is vastly superior to the Muslim/Nigerian one.

Who made you the authority on who is vastly superior to whom?

That post smacks so badly of bigotry and ignorance, along with many of your other posts I have read. Posts expressing opinions like that actually work to dilute ones that actually have merit on this part of the forum.

[wehotex]

Originally Posted by DontH8Me

Who made you the authority on who is vastly superior to whom?

That post smacks so badly of bigotry and ignorance, along with many of your other posts I have read. Posts expressing opinions like that actually work to dilute ones that actually have merit on this part of the forum.

that is HIS opinion. must everything on this website be subject to censorship, just b/c another may not agree with it?

[DontH8Me]

Originally Posted by wehotex

that is HIS opinion. must everything on this website be subject to censorship, just b/c another may not agree with it?

Please remind me where I stated that he should be censored.

Further, the post didn't exactly state an opinion, as in "I think/I feel...". He stated his belief as a matter of fact. "Latin American migration IS vastly superior to the Muslim/Nigerian one."

[macmeal]

Originally Posted by DontH8Me

Please remind me where I stated that he should be censored.

Further, the post didn't exactly state an opinion, as in "I think/I feel...". He stated his belief as a matter of fact. "Latin American migration IS vastly superior to the Muslim/Nigerian one."

DontH8Me, the above was obviously one person's opinion. like your posts or mine. It might be relevant to note, though, that Mexican immigrants do share somewhat more cultural roots with the US than do muslims. The Mexican migration is largely a movement of people searching for economic betterment, and willing to "bend" a few rules to do so. There is no movement-wide consensus that I've ever heard of (and I've personally known many of these folks) that these Mexican illegals "hate" or even "dislike" the gringos, unless, of course, they run into blatant racism. Most are quite unconcerned with politics, and most, in effect, "walked" here from just next door. Mexico and the US share a very long, intertwined history. Most Mexicans (and a large number of Americans, including me) are Catholics-one more point of understanding.
Middle Easterners, on the other hand, are relatively "new" on the scene. With the exception of the Detroit-Toledo area, few American cities had any large concentration of such folks until very recent times...AND (and this is important) The large majority of those who WERE here were Christians. The muslim religion is little-known to most Americans, and, quite frankly, its image is not too favorable. The extreme reluctance of the "good" muslims to disavow the terrorists is troubling to many of us. The recent poll indicating quite a support among young muslims living HERE, for "suicide bombers" shows that this group, to put it very mildly, has a whole lot of explaining to do. So far, I've heard very little that would convince me that radical Islam is even compatible at all with a free society.
This puts the muslim immigration in an entirely different category than the Latin American one.....just my 2 cents...

[HGONZ001]

Originally Posted by wehotex

that is HIS opinion. must everything on this website be subject to censorship, just b/c another may not agree with it?

Sure, lets all let it slide by. That's how hatred and racism start. What would you think if I say Whites are far better than Blacks and all white neighborhoods are more desirable than Black ones?