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That's an awfully big jump that you have failed to properly prove! A minute ago "Real Mexicans" you claimed were "Mongoloids", now they are "Mestizo/Amerindian"?
'Of Mongoloid' I should have said.
Some might say Amerinds are not Mongoloid *NOW* but they originate from them and still get Mongolian spot.
Ameridian is a Mongoloid sub race.
Just like North Africans have become a Caucasian sub type yet different from Europeans.
Mexicans are not the same as modern Native Americans (a term only used in the United States)
Their ancestry does include pre-Columbian indigenous tribes, but none of those tribes ever came close to where the modern-day border is.
Thats because Whites decided to make a border and simply separated them.
Thats because Whites decided to make a border and simply separated them.
Before that, they were.
You haven't shown anything at all that backs up your claim. As I said, language has already been proven as to not being a link MtDNA shows there is no link.
Some might say Amerinds are not Mongoloid *NOW* but they originate from them and still get Mongolian spot.
Ameridian is a Mongoloid sub race.
Just like North Africans have become a Caucasian sub type yet different from Europeans.
They may have some "Mongoloid" in them but according to the info out there the majority of their line is Caucasoid. To say they originated from one or the other is reaching. According to this: File:Neighbor-joining Tree-2.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia they are of the Caucasoid sub-group.
You are referring to an opinion. Opinions do not override anthropological/archeological history.
The Comanche also where apart of the larger tribe that many Mexicans come from.
Go educate yourself and get back with us.
Wrong wrong wrong. Actually the majority of people lived in the southern and central areas of Mexico, very few people lived in what is now northern Mexico.
However, there was no country of Mexico, there were no Mexican people until the Spanish came. The pre-columbian Indians didn't have a nation, they had something more like city-states and tribes.
False.....i get what your saying though but individually they are that not as a whole though, the black population is very low and they are isolated
Yes, "black", "indio", and "white" are all very low because the vast majority are mestiso or mixed. Almost no one in Mexico is of a "pure" race, Mexicans are a blend of 3 races going back centuries.
In the early days of Mexico, there were many African slaves, the Indian population fell dramatically because of diseases brought in and of course there were the Europeans.
Also you have to remember that racial definitions in Mexico aren't the same as in the USA. How they classify "indios" isn't so much on genetic purity but on language and culture.
If a black man moves to China, he isn't Chinese even if his black kids are born there. Sure they may be citizens but they are not true ethnic Chinese.
Look at England, it is falling apart because stupid people like you wouldn't know a TRUE Englishman and a North African who gained citizenship status.
So are you saying someone who is Jewish cannot be a real German? Or a black man cannot be a REAL Brit? Hmmm.......
Ethnic Chinese? China has a number of different ethnicties.
And you should realize that "Mestizo" means mixed race - mixed Indian, Black, White. But a REAL Mexican can be 100% white, or 100% black or 100% Indian but most are mixed.
The Indians of the NE USA and Eastern Canada were certainly mixed with Northern Europeans, it would be impossible to believe that the landbridge of Greenland and Iceland were never crossed, and the Vikings were known to venture out.
There is no racial/racist justification for breaking the laws of the USA. None.
So, I do not understand why people try to mention the Native American ancestry of current-day Mexicans.
I would mention two reasons.
1. I personally debate white supremacists, or "racial determinists" who assert a common destiny of the "white race" in a "white homeland." The obvious counterpoint is that the majority of them are occupying the territory of the "Native American race" in the "Native American homeland." Their opposition to Mesoamerican immigration is therefore absurd, since most Mesoamerican immigrants are "racially" Indian.
2. It's ironic that the phenotypic criteria for identifying someone as "Mexican" and "illegal" are Indian features of appearance, when Indians are the original people of this continent. It causes U.S. Indians to be misidentified as "Mexicans," particularly Southwestern U.S. Indians, who often have Spanish surnames.
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Originally Posted by chicagonut
Mexican is a nationality. If one is born in Mexico that is their country, not this one (unless naturalized here). The Comanche are U.S. citizens because they settled here and their offspring were born here. If Mexicans have a claim on the U.S. based on your claims of them being Comanche then why aren't the Comanche taking them into their reservations as blood brothers or making some kind of claim to our government about their so-called rights here as Comanches?
There is a political commentator that you have previously referenced named David Yeagley who is the great-great-grandson of a Mexican soldier named Cruz Portillo that he claims is a Comanche warrior named "Bad Eagle." Fullback32 on the forum here is a Comanche, and says that Yeagley is an enrolled Comanche, but there is apparently skepticism about his legitimacy within the tribe.
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Originally Posted by Liquid Reigns
There were over 5 migrations from Asia. There are numerous periods prior to modern Amerindians. What of the Solutreans (Europeans along the east coast older then Clovis). Look at that, I just changed the "fact" you claim.
You referenced a secondary source (Wikipedia), that in turn referenced several dated primary sources. More recent research (2008) seems to refute the claims about Solutreans and multiple migrations, specifically Mitochondrial Population Genomics Supports a Single Pre-Clovis Origin with a Coastal Route for the Peopling of the Americas: "In this study, we analyze 86 mtDNA genomes (58 of them new) belonging to all five major Native American haplogroups (A2, B2, C1, D1, and X2a) to provide a better understanding of the timing and mode of the peopling of the New World. Our analysis suggests a complex scenario for this migration, in which the founding population underwent a moderate bottleneck during the LGM to expand along the continent toward the end of the LGM, around 18 kya, probably via a Pacific coastal route. Furthermore, we support a model in which all mtDNA haplogroups were present in this expansion, thus refuting multiple-migration scenarios such as the Solutrean hypothesis."
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Originally Posted by JordanJP
Mexicans are not the same as modern Native Americans (a term only used in the United States) Their ancestry does include pre-Columbian indigenous tribes, but none of those tribes ever came close to where the modern-day border is.
This is not true, as shown by the tribal/cultural boundaries maps that I posted. The tribes on either side of the border in the Southwestern cultural group are more closely ethnically related to each other than they are to other tribes on the other side of Mexico or the United States.
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Originally Posted by Liquid Reigns
They may have some "Mongoloid" in them but according to the info out there the majority of their line is Caucasoid. To say they originated from one or the other is reaching. According to this: File:Neighbor-joining Tree-2.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia they are of the Caucasoid sub-group.
That neighbor-joining tree indicates that Amerindians cluster separately from "Caucasoids."
The "Indians" in the Caucasoid cluster are Asian Indians.
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