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Old 12-29-2011, 03:22 PM
 
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Yes, it is scary to think that foreingers many of whom are here illegally might some day outnumber the native born population via birthrates. What the heck is our government thinking not getting a handle on this problem and not pushing to change birthright citizenship? We can't afford to keep providing free birthings, healthcare and all other kinds of welfare type programs to them and their offspring.
Only if they figure out how to bear "foreigners".
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Old 12-29-2011, 03:44 PM
 
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The primary difference these DREAMIES will find is pretty much all financial. They are acclimatized to the US and will likely never lose their attraction to it.

It seems to me they are loyal to their local community and family and friends. Fondness for Mexico for many is a formality. They have spent little time there so how would they know?
The "dreamies" are illegal so they have no legal right to come back but if they learn a skill we need or can qualify for a legal work visa there is nothing stopping them.

It's not about any kind of allegience to this country as they nor their parents have any true allegience to any country. It will come down to money. If in the future, it's difficult to come here illegally and obtain welfare benefits and/or jobs, then they won't come back. If it's easy enough, they will.

You can make friends in Mexico -- just like anyone can relocate and make new friends. They can become fond of people in Mexico - why would you think that would be impossible?
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Old 12-29-2011, 03:54 PM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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It's really very simple. If the people in question were net economic contributors Mexico would be begging for them to return. They aren't. Can you explain to us why? Why would Mexico be happy if millions of their most productive citizenry left?
That's why Mexico solid opposes any path to citizenship. They want guest worker programs that require those people to return to Mexico regularly while working in the United States.
Mexico does want them back, but they want to tap in to the United States' economy even more; so, their best option is for the United States to continue its stance that makes the vast majority of those immigrants illegal immigrants. After all, notice how badly Mexico tries to keep immigrants from countries other than Mexico from ever reaching the United States where they could compete with Mexican illegal immigrants?
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Old 12-29-2011, 05:36 PM
 
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The "dreamies" are illegal so they have no legal right to come back but if they learn a skill we need or can qualify for a legal work visa there is nothing stopping them.

It's not about any kind of allegience to this country as they nor their parents have any true allegience to any country. It will come down to money. If in the future, it's difficult to come here illegally and obtain welfare benefits and/or jobs, then they won't come back. If it's easy enough, they will.

You can make friends in Mexico -- just like anyone can relocate and make new friends. They can become fond of people in Mexico - why would you think that would be impossible?
Of course they have an allegiance to their family and friends and the place where they grew up. We all do. No one ever fully gets past wherever they spent their teenage years. And of course finance is part of the equation.

And they very well might be compelled to leave if the can't make a living. That is why part of my ancestors left Ireland.

The DREAMIE thing is really the dumbest thing the antis do. They have the right skill set and are better assimilated then any other group could be. And yet the desire is to throw them out so those less suited can come in. How is that for dumb.
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Old 12-29-2011, 05:42 PM
 
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That's why Mexico solid opposes any path to citizenship. They want guest worker programs that require those people to return to Mexico regularly while working in the United States.
Mexico does want them back, but they want to tap in to the United States' economy even more; so, their best option is for the United States to continue its stance that makes the vast majority of those immigrants illegal immigrants. After all, notice how badly Mexico tries to keep immigrants from countries other than Mexico from ever reaching the United States where they could compete with Mexican illegal immigrants?
Who told you that? Mexico does as badly in its southern states as we do in ours. The Guatemalans pour in and the problem is vastly worse due to the tendency of the Mexican authorities to go for the mordida.
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Old 12-30-2011, 09:15 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Of course they have an allegiance to their family and friends and the place where they grew up. We all do. No one ever fully gets past wherever they spent their teenage years. And of course finance is part of the equation.

And they very well might be compelled to leave if the can't make a living. That is why part of my ancestors left Ireland.

The DREAMIE thing is really the dumbest thing the antis do. They have the right skill set and are better assimilated then any other group could be. And yet the desire is to throw them out so those less suited can come in. How is that for dumb.
You are ok with dangling that carrot to increase illegal immigration? The message is, just show up, we'll take care of you. How is that for dumb?
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Old 12-30-2011, 01:16 PM
 
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You are ok with dangling that carrot to increase illegal immigration? The message is, just show up, we'll take care of you. How is that for dumb?
The DREAMIE carrot? I would think we could live with the vast increase in the entry of illegal 4 and 5 year olds that might occur.

The actual problem really centers on under educated men in their late teens or twenties. I see little impact on that group by the DREAMIES.
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Old 12-30-2011, 01:42 PM
 
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The DREAMIE carrot? I would think we could live with the vast increase in the entry of illegal 4 and 5 year olds that might occur.

The actual problem really centers on under educated men in their late teens or twenties. I see little impact on that group by the DREAMIES.
I take it you have no kids in the public schools then?



The people in their twenties are the fathers of 4 and 5 year olds. They don't support them. Instead they expect Americans to do so.
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Old 12-30-2011, 02:32 PM
 
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I take it you have no kids in the public schools then?



The people in their twenties are the fathers of 4 and 5 year olds. They don't support them. Instead they expect Americans to do so.
Five grandchildren presently in the public schools virtually all of whom will go to college and will williingly compete with the DREAMIES for scholarships.

The behavior of the present generation of 20 yos is somewhat different then my day. Why should they illegals be any different.

You don't really believe all that nonsense you spout about having children to support oneself do you? Of all the silliness. I am sure that some of the illegals take advantage of any program that can help them. And that is good as it is designed to see that the children have proper nuitrition. But the though that it can fund a reasonable life is simply balderdash.
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Old 12-30-2011, 02:39 PM
 
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Five grandchildren presently in the public schools virtually all of whom will go to college and will williingly compete with the DREAMIES for scholarships.

The behavior of the present generation of 20 yos is somewhat different then my day. Why should they illegals be any different.

You don't really believe all that nonsense you spout about having children to support oneself do you? Of all the silliness. I am sure that some of the illegals take advantage of any program that can help them. And that is good as it is designed to see that the children have proper nuitrition. But the though that it can fund a reasonable life is simply balderdash.
You really don't believe Americans should be responsible for educating and feeding all the world's children? Or maybe you do as you clearly believe we should be responsible for giving anything someone wants once they violate our immigration laws.

Let the Dreamies get a college degree in Mexico. They shouldn't be entitled to one in America. It's preposterous to assert that the 2/3rds of all Americans who don't even have one (usually because they can't afford tuition or have been ill prepared by secondary schools overcrowded with foreign national free riders) should be taxed to pay for the educational desires of Mexicans.
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