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Old 12-30-2011, 11:38 PM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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People are talking about starving Mexicans. I pointed out that most Mexicans aren't starving. In fact most are fat. Another poster talked about people who make three dollars an hour. I pointed out that most people consider it grossly irresponsible to have children when you cannot support yourself.

The implication was that we are heartless to ask people to go back to a country where more than the people half are fat and that it is okay to have children when you cannot support yourself. Those implications are ridiculous.
What's ridiculous is that you think you know anything about life in Mexico based on a single article. And no, stopping at the port of Cancun during a cruise doesn't count.

 
Old 12-30-2011, 11:42 PM
 
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What's ridiculous is that you think you know anything about life in Mexico based on a single article. And no, stopping at the port of Cancun during a cruise doesn't count.
Off topic. This thread is about Illegal immigration, not Cancun. I suggest you post in the travel section.

If they were in Cancun they wouldn't be illegal now would they?
 
Old 12-30-2011, 11:45 PM
 
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Off topic. This thread is about Illegal immigration, not Cancun. I suggest you post in the travel section.

If they were in Cancun they wouldn't be illegal now would they?
Haven't you posted about people in Mexico? If they are in Mexico, they wouldn't be illegal now would they? Are those posts off topic or are there exceptions?
 
Old 12-31-2011, 12:50 AM
 
Location: where you sip the tea of the breasts of the spinsters of Utica
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I sure don't feel good about people having to move from a good, promising life - especially the kids - to the war zone Acapulco has become. But the family that the article started with did it voluntarily because of their incomes here crashing, and because of her mom getting cancer. It was a ****-poor choice, but seemed reasonable at the time.

But they came here illegally. My parents came here legally, they had to jump the hoops to do that. It's a slap in the face of legal immigrants to allow illegals to flood in and remain.

We have a right to defend our country from becoming like the hell-hole they are trying to escape, to maintain our standards of living. Lots of Americans don't even realize that the masses of illegals are what has broken the unions, which guaranteed a decent wage with benefits. Who wants to hire expensive union members when they can get someone almost as good who will work for $50 sunup to sundown?

Without good, well-paying jobs, we can't afford to keep decent housing, or to pay for the better things that our businesses make. We are becoming a nation of Walmart and Dollar Store shoppers who are being evicted from McMansions to live in little ticky-tacky houses built by Mexican illegals .... still better than living in Mexico.

I look at it in the same way as I look at the idea of opening the doors of my home to all the local homeless people. I don't do it because it would seriously reduce the quality of my life, would be unsafe, and would probably eventually lead to being evicted and becoming homeless myself with a bad housing record.

Many homeless people have been through real tragedies, not of their own choice or perhaps from well-intentioned but crappy choices in life. They deserve to have another chance at life .... but I can't give it to them, I have to harden my heart and realize they have to play the cards they've been handed in life without much real help from me.

We definitely need to increase the legal immigration paths, though I'd rather there was some balance, with more Europeans, Aussies, Canadians, and other peoples who share American cultural values instead of mostly Hispanics.
 
Old 12-31-2011, 01:20 AM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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...We definitely need to increase the legal immigration paths, though I'd rather there was some balance, with more Europeans, Aussies, Canadians, and other peoples who share American cultural values instead of mostly Hispanics.
What, praytell, are the "cultural values" they share?...
 
Old 12-31-2011, 01:46 AM
 
Location: where you sip the tea of the breasts of the spinsters of Utica
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Oh, I'm not going to get into that red herring, IBM. I realize that no matter what I respond with you can attack me on that, because "culture" is vague and hard to pin down. Just concentrate on the important parts of the post, not that casual opinion.
 
Old 12-31-2011, 03:15 AM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Oh, I'm not going to get into that red herring, IBM. I realize that no matter what I respond with you can attack me on that, because "culture" is vague and hard to pin down. Just concentrate on the important parts of the post, not that casual opinion.
I just found it interesting - Your comment doesn't appear to be based on language, yet doesn't include some Asian or African democracies. What is viewed as the most-commonly shared attribute of the countries you mentioned? Why say the comment if you are unwilling to explain it?
 
Old 12-31-2011, 07:22 AM
 
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What, praytell, are the "cultural values" they share?...
I could tell you what cultural values we don't share with certain ethnic groups but that is a topic for another forum.
 
Old 12-31-2011, 07:37 AM
 
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Cuidad Juarez Murder Rate, Tipping Over 1,000 in 2011, Shows Signs of Abating | Fox News Latino

Shannon K. O'Neil: Latin America's Moment » 2011 Trends in Latin America: Shifting Violence

But the region’s security outlook is not all gloom and doom. Ciudad Juárez, still Mexico’s most violent city, saw its homicides drop by almost half since 2010, to just under 1,700 this year.
Thanks for the info, man.
 
Old 12-31-2011, 07:39 AM
 
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Yeah, f*ck those anchor babies. Little children deserve to starve.
Are you discussing Mexican people? Starving isn't an issue in Mexico. Obesity IS. So having to go back home to Mexico unlike maybe Somalia isn't a death sentence.
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