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Old 01-02-2012, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Have you ever been in a foundry?

I doubt it. This is one of the places where smart old guys do well.

Nobody is actually strong enough if it goes south. And making sure it does not is much more important than moving it quick.
As a matter of fact I have been in a foundry, we had one not half a mile from my parents house so yeah I have been in one several times. I have also been in Newport News ship building yards many times and they have a foundry on sight.
Sorry but if illegals can be trained to do the job, and I am assuming that in most cases english is not their first language then US citizens can be trained to do the job as well.
Smart old guys? Old and smart are not always synonymous. I work in a factory that employs 2900 people. Its very rare to find a 30 uear tech that pulls their weight on a daily basis.
Excuses used:
1. I did that job 1000 times its your turn to learn.
2. I am paid for what I know not what I do.
3. I need to go up health services.
4. I have a meeting to go to.
5. Possibly my favorite. You will never learn how to do it if I do it for you.
NO people wont learn unless the experienced techs teach. Normally they dont like to teach because then everyone will know how to do the job and they wont be special.
I am a 20 year tech and havn't slowed down a bit. I also teach. I am a team leader like those 30 year vets and yet I have never had a meeting that was more important than teaching others how to do a job.
I am paid for what I do and part of that is leading by example.
Quantity in years never equates to quality.
When it comes to illegals it is never right that they get any form of preferential treatment.
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Old 01-03-2012, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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Mexico is shooting itself right now with the new visa and passport issues. The remaining tourists that were brave enough to go down will simply opt out. That includes me. I quit going by land years ago but now I'm done traveling by boat into Mex waters.
I have a friend who has a food tour business in Mexico City. Business keeps going up, and 95% of the clients are either from the US, Canada or Australia. Expat populations, at least in Mexico, have exploded in recent years. When I lived in Mexico City in 2004 and 2005, there were very few foreigners living there. I regularly visit and this year went to several parties that included people living there from the US, Germany, Norway, Korea, England, Australia, etc.
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Old 01-03-2012, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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I have to agree with your post. I have to laugh when we and the talking heads speak of the 10-15 million illegals in this country and we all know it is much, much more than that....it's a joke.
How do you know it's more than that? Anecdotal evidence is extremely limiting, so I assume you've done some kind of scientifically-backed research on the matter. What were your findings and where is the peer-reviewed link to the studies?
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Old 01-03-2012, 09:40 PM
 
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As a matter of fact I have been in a foundry, we had one not half a mile from my parents house so yeah I have been in one several times. I have also been in Newport News ship building yards many times and they have a foundry on sight.
Sorry but if illegals can be trained to do the job, and I am assuming that in most cases english is not their first language then US citizens can be trained to do the job as well.
Smart old guys? Old and smart are not always synonymous. I work in a factory that employs 2900 people. Its very rare to find a 30 uear tech that pulls their weight on a daily basis.
Excuses used:
1. I did that job 1000 times its your turn to learn.
2. I am paid for what I know not what I do.
3. I need to go up health services.
4. I have a meeting to go to.
5. Possibly my favorite. You will never learn how to do it if I do it for you.
NO people wont learn unless the experienced techs teach. Normally they dont like to teach because then everyone will know how to do the job and they wont be special.
I am a 20 year tech and havn't slowed down a bit. I also teach. I am a team leader like those 30 year vets and yet I have never had a meeting that was more important than teaching others how to do a job.
I am paid for what I do and part of that is leading by example.
Quantity in years never equates to quality.
When it comes to illegals it is never right that they get any form of preferential treatment.
Foundries are job shops. It is a rare job that gets done a thousand times.

In most foundaries teaching is an ongoing and immediate task. You don't want to get killed.

In a foundary everyone gets paid for what gets done...and done properly.

Any such place that loses 20% of its workforce and particularly it senior work force is hurting. At the very least product flow drops to half or less.

They may survive. But it will be hard. And it leads to people questioning whether they wish to function under such a regime.
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Old 01-03-2012, 11:25 PM
 
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Foundries are job shops. It is a rare job that gets done a thousand times.

In most foundaries teaching is an ongoing and immediate task. You don't want to get killed.

In a foundary everyone gets paid for what gets done...and done properly.

Any such place that loses 20% of its workforce and particularly it senior work force is hurting. At the very least product flow drops to half or less.

They may survive. But it will be hard. And it leads to people questioning whether they wish to function under such a regime.
WRONG !!!

In this foundry they get paid by the HOUR, NOT piece work.

Foundries have been in the US since the beginning. Imagine that NO Illegal Mexicans in foundries in 1776, HOW DID THAT HAPPEN !!!

If they want to employ Mexican Nationals they can set up shop in MEXICO !!!


Your excuses for a company violating AMERICAN labor laws is absolutely PATHETIC !!!!

GUESS WHAT ????? Americans have and will continue to work in foundries WITHOUT the need for ILLEGALS !!!

Imagine that, AMAZING isn't it !!!!
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Old 01-04-2012, 06:51 AM
 
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WRONG !!!

In this foundry they get paid by the HOUR, NOT piece work.

Foundries have been in the US since the beginning. Imagine that NO Illegal Mexicans in foundries in 1776, HOW DID THAT HAPPEN !!!

If they want to employ Mexican Nationals they can set up shop in MEXICO !!!


Your excuses for a company violating AMERICAN labor laws is absolutely PATHETIC !!!!

GUESS WHAT ????? Americans have and will continue to work in foundries WITHOUT the need for ILLEGALS !!!

Imagine that, AMAZING isn't it !!!!
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Old 01-04-2012, 03:46 PM
 
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Your writing is certainly getting emphatic. Now if you could only learn to get it factual!!!!!



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WRONG !!!

In this foundry they get paid by the HOUR, NOT piece work.
Who said otherwise? You don't know what a job shop is do you?

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Foundries have been in the US since the beginning. Imagine that NO Illegal Mexicans in foundries in 1776, HOW DID THAT HAPPEN !!!
Likely used blacks who were 3/5th of a person each. Back then it was an even lousier job.
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If they want to employ Mexican Nationals they can set up shop in MEXICO !!!
I don't believe my post mentioned Mexicans.

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Your excuses for a company violating AMERICAN labor laws is absolutely PATHETIC !!!!

GUESS WHAT ????? Americans have and will continue to work in foundries WITHOUT the need for ILLEGALS !!!

Imagine that, AMAZING isn't it !!!!
I am not aware that it is known they violated AMERICAN labor laws. Cite the source of that finding. Note that it was an attempt to get fully compliant that led to the lost of senior personnel.

Come at this a little more calmly. Then you won't be incorrect in every paragraph you write.
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Old 01-05-2012, 02:18 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I have a friend who has a food tour business in Mexico City. Business keeps going up, and 95% of the clients are either from the US, Canada or Australia. Expat populations, at least in Mexico, have exploded in recent years. When I lived in Mexico City in 2004 and 2005, there were very few foreigners living there. I regularly visit and this year went to several parties that included people living there from the US, Germany, Norway, Korea, England, Australia, etc.

Carnival, Other Cruise Lines Leaving California; Fewer Americans Going to Mexico | CNSnews.com


I know only a handful of people personally still going. Almost all have stopped.
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Old 01-06-2012, 12:25 PM
 
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The employer of these illegal aliens should be heavily fined and jailed. These people have been in this country illegally for decades and their employer willfully aided and abetted them. It doesn't matter if they have been here 50 years, they all need to be deported immediately. Their departure will free up jobs for Americans and classroom space for their children.

So much for them doing the jobs Americans won't do.
ABSOLUTELY! Nevermind the illegals. They were invited to come in and do the jobs.

We should nail this company to the cross with one of the steepest fines in history, and make damn sure it hurts really, really bad.

This stuff will not stop until the employers, not the illegals, are severely dealt with. We need to shut down one large major corporation and send some folks to jail to send a strong message. But as long as the fines aren't punitive enough to stop this practice, they'll fill these positions with illegals again the first chance they get.

Paying for more Border Patrol is just trying to spend our way out of the problem when we should be FINING our way out of it. Trust me, it'll work if we had the political will to do it. These illegals won't come here if there is no work.
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Old 01-06-2012, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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Carnival, Other Cruise Lines Leaving California; Fewer Americans Going to Mexico | CNSnews.com


I know only a handful of people personally still going. Almost all have stopped.
So skittish Americans are not taking cruises as much because they're under the mistaken impression that resort cities are both under attack and represent the rest of Mexico. This is big news. That doesn't change what I said in the least.
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