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Old 06-18-2013, 12:51 PM
 
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answer is.. As many as we allow to do so.Rules dont mean squat if there is no one enforcing them. Obama steps in EVERY time a state even suggest enforcing ANY laws pertaining to illegals. Am I just imagining this?
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Old 06-18-2013, 01:25 PM
 
Location: OC, CA
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Neither party will do anything until the people force them too. Repub like cheap, slave labor and Dems like a new voting base esp since many in that new voting base like to have a lot of kids and he can buy their votes with more guberment cheez.
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Old 06-18-2013, 02:32 PM
 
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Neither party will do anything until the people force them too. Repub like cheap, slave labor and Dems like a new voting base esp since many in that new voting base like to have a lot of kids and he can buy their votes with more guberment cheez.
The Dems like the cheap labor also. Don't kid yourself. They have two reasons to support this bill.
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Old 12-30-2017, 08:37 PM
 
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I am retired so I have no need to look for a job. However, my concern is for the 23 million Americans out of work that can't get hired because the greedy employers prefer the cheap, illegal labor or they require a native English speaking American to be able to speak Spanish. There are scarce jobs out there right now anyway with our economy in the dumps or didn't you know that? There is plenty of blame to go around and I mentioned them in my above remarks. Sorry, that you would rather blame the victims (American citizens) rather than the crooks and immigration law breakers.

Most of these illegal immigrants are working with fake or stolen ID's or getting paid under the table and paying no income taxes. Is that ok? Many or most of their incomes are so low with many dependents that at the end of the year they get refunds on their taxes or even more than they pay in. All the while the greedy employers are fattening their wallets and passing their social costs on to us.

We already know who the bad guys are. The employers, our government and the illegal immigrants. Will you join us loyal Americans to fight this corruption by all three or will you just demonize regular Americans instead?
It speaks for itself that you even need to explain this to people.
This is the problem with an ideology; It infects the brain so that the ideology blinds them to the facts & reality.
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Old 02-22-2019, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Cumberland Co., TN
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Lets say a new fast food restaurant opens in a place like Phoenix where there is a large Hispanic population, who are at least 40% illegal alien. The Fast Food Restaurant advertises for burger flippers and people who will make French Fries, etc and offers to pay $8.00 an hour.

Because the restaurant is in Phoenix Arizona they are required to use
E-Verify by law on all new hires. While they are some legal residents who are interested in the job, I suspect many illegal aliens are interested too. They just have to figure out a way to beat the E-Verify system so they can get their dream job as Burger Flipper.

How many will get through the background check? How many will use someone else's ID, or borrow the identity of a legal relative, or just talk the manager into hiring them even though they are illegal, or know someone who works there that will slip them in. (Maybe give them a bribe?) What percent of illegal alien job applicants are going to be hired even though they use E-Verify at this new Fast Food Restaurant in Phoenix ARIZONA?
According to a study by Westat it was estimated that of the 6.2% of workers who were found to be unauthorized to work through the e-verify system, 3.3% were later found to be authorized and 2.9% were found to be unauthorized.

There is no way to know actual number of illegals that "trick" the system by using anothers social security card and drivers license.
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Old Today, 05:59 AM
 
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Just a thought to make E-verify 98-99% accurate, but anyone not a citizen entering the USA - except those traveling for vacation or business less than 30 days and have return transportation tickets and have submitted to a DHS like trusted traveler programs similar to the TSA Pre✓® Application Program i.e Global Entry in their home country trusted by the US government (not high risk countries like Iran, North Korea) - must have their fingerprints, voice print, and eye scan taken at the port of entry and also for all non citizens already in the USA today not having a green card or other work VISA by a certain date in 2020. These biometrics are then compared when the person is checked with E-verify by the hiring business. If no or a poor match, then the person or illegal immigrant cannot be hired.

Also each business in the US who is hiring any paid employees or contractors i.e. Uber getting a W2 for any income or 1099-MSC getting over $600 a year (current tax law for these two forms) must register with E-Verify by a set date, say some date in 2020 or be fined by the US Government. New businesses with more than one employee (not sole proprietorships with one single person) with taxable revenue must do so within 90 days. There could be a check box and a box for number of paid employees and/or contractors on the IRS Federal Schedule C or C-EZ or corporate tax form confirming registration with the Department of Homeland e-verify sending a form to each individual hiring business which must be attached to the federal tax return or face a penalty (if business has no/0 employees and/or contractors, then of course this would not apply). This is an analogy to the Obamacare $695 and/or 2% of income penalty, enacted by Congress 2010 though phasing out 2018. Depending on the size of the business, these penalties could be much greater.

Though the system ideas above not perfect, but believe would resolve a lot of the E-verify problem. It still will not resolve the issue with under the economy cash only businesses, or US citizens or individuals hiring illegals to do their yard work, home repairs, babysitting, etc. on the side.

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Old Today, 08:09 AM
 
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Just a thought to make E-verify 98-99% accurate, but anyone not a citizen entering the USA - except those traveling for vacation or business less than 30 days and have return transportation tickets and have submitted to a DHS like trusted traveler programs similar to the TSA Pre✓® Application Program i.e Global Entry in their home country trusted by the US government (not high risk countries like Iran, North Korea) - must have their fingerprints, voice print, and eye scan taken at the port of entry and also for all non citizens already in the USA today not having a green card or other work VISA by a certain date in 2020. These biometrics are then compared when the person is checked with E-verify by the hiring business. If no or a poor match, then the person or illegal immigrant cannot be hired.

Also each business in the US who is hiring any paid employees or contractors i.e. Uber getting a W2 for any income or 1099-MSC getting over $600 a year (current tax law for these two forms) must register with E-Verify by a set date, say some date in 2020 or be fined by the US Government. New businesses with more than one employee (not sole proprietorships with one single person) with taxable revenue must do so within 90 days. There could be a check box and a box for number of paid employees and/or contractors on the IRS Federal Schedule C or C-EZ or corporate tax form confirming registration with the Department of Homeland e-verify sending a form to each individual hiring business which must be attached to the federal tax return or face a penalty (if business has no/0 employees and/or contractors, then of course this would not apply). This is an analogy to the Obamacare $695 and/or 2% of income penalty, enacted by Congress 2010 though phasing out 2018. Depending on the size of the business, these penalties could be much greater.

Though the system ideas above not perfect, but believe would resolve a lot of the E-verify problem. It still will not resolve the issue with under the economy cash only businesses, or US citizens or individuals hiring illegals to do their yard work, home repairs, babysitting, etc. on the side.

Yes, there can be improvements made to the e-verify program but as you said it would not prevent the hiring of illegals to work for cash and that's why we need the good physical barriers to prevent them from getting into our country in the first place. All workers already on a payroll should have to pass e-verify also in order to retain their jobs.
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Old Today, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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Just a thought to make E-verify 98-99% accurate, but anyone not a citizen entering the USA - except those traveling for vacation or business less than 30 days and have return transportation tickets and have submitted to a DHS like trusted traveler programs similar to the TSA Pre✓® Application Program i.e Global Entry in their home country trusted by the US government (not high risk countries like Iran, North Korea) - must have their fingerprints, voice print, and eye scan taken at the port of entry and also for all non citizens already in the USA today not having a green card or other work VISA by a certain date in 2020. These biometrics are then compared when the person is checked with E-verify by the hiring business. If no or a poor match, then the person or illegal immigrant cannot be hired.

Also each business in the US who is hiring any paid employees or contractors i.e. Uber getting a W2 for any income or 1099-MSC getting over $600 a year (current tax law for these two forms) must register with E-Verify by a set date, say some date in 2020 or be fined by the US Government. New businesses with more than one employee (not sole proprietorships with one single person) with taxable revenue must do so within 90 days. There could be a check box and a box for number of paid employees and/or contractors on the IRS Federal Schedule C or C-EZ or corporate tax form confirming registration with the Department of Homeland e-verify sending a form to each individual hiring business which must be attached to the federal tax return or face a penalty (if business has no/0 employees and/or contractors, then of course this would not apply). This is an analogy to the Obamacare $695 and/or 2% of income penalty, enacted by Congress 2010 though phasing out 2018. Depending on the size of the business, these penalties could be much greater.

Though the system ideas above not perfect, but believe would resolve a lot of the E-verify problem. It still will not resolve the issue with under the economy cash only businesses, or US citizens or individuals hiring illegals to do their yard work, home repairs, babysitting, etc. on the side.
All non-residents already have pictures/fingerprints taken at port of entry, every time, regardless of length of stay.
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