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Old 01-05-2012, 01:24 PM
 
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You did know that's due to the prior 7 amnesties we have had, right?
Source? I actually would think most were born here...
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Old 01-05-2012, 01:32 PM
 
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Bad driving kills people all the time. Why do you have no problem with it?



As many of us have explained to you multiple times, we don't have to expel them. We merely have to make their lives harder. If we do that they will leave. They've already left Alabama in large numbers. Why do you deny this fact? Your belief otherwise is one of your own sad myths. They only come here because they want what they can get from our society. Make it harder on them and they will leave. Just because YOU lack the desire to see them leave does not mean WE do so as well.
The source that significant numbers have left Alabama as say comparted to FL or NV?

What worse thing can you do to them that the economy did not do? That got 20% out of the high percentage states. What is it you think will do better than that..

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Unless someone has an exceptional talent in some area, no they should not be allowed to skip the immigration lines. High school dropouts from Mexico who don't speak English should not quality for amnesty and benefits from American taxpayers just because they've brazenly violated our laws for many years.
They should not but they do. And we lack the will and the means to stop it. So you want to beat the dead horse some more or do something?

"Skipping the immigration lines" is another myth. Those lines are exactly what we wish them to be. If we wish to give priority to those already physcially in the US we violate nothing. No legal immigrant has any valid fairness claim on how we run our immigration system. We can (and will) do whatever we please. Foreign nationals don't get a vote.
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Old 01-05-2012, 04:08 PM
 
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Source? I actually would think most were born here...
Are you implying that the Latino population has not ballooned since 1986? This Table shows pretty much how the increase has been since the '80's. The Demographic Foundations of the Latino Population - Hispanics and the Future of America - NCBI Bookshelf

Foreign born increased along with us born from foreign, while us born us born decreased.

So, can we therefor assume that the increase is due to the amnesties?
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Old 01-05-2012, 04:17 PM
 
Location: California
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The source that significant numbers have left Alabama as say comparted to FL or NV?
FL has had a decrease due to the economy and the laws they passed.
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In Florida, plans to pass a restrictive immigration bill, such as Arizona's controversial law, became part of the political debate in the recent Republican primary for governor. The issue is likely to remain in the spotlight regardless of the population's decline, said Dario Moreno, a political science professor at Florida International University in Miami.
remember arguing about those illegal children being denied in-state tuition? NV says they are leaving and going back home. Thousands of Illegal Immigrants Leave Nevada
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For the first time in 20 years, illegal immigrants are crossing back over the border, leaving the United States in large numbers. And nowhere else is that more evident than in Nevada, where we are seeing the largest decrease.
NV would be economic while FL would be like AL, AZ, GA, MS, etc due to laws.
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Old 01-05-2012, 06:02 PM
 
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FL has had a decrease due to the economy and the laws they passed. remember arguing about those illegal children being denied in-state tuition? NV says they are leaving and going back home. Thousands of Illegal Immigrants Leave Nevada
NV would be economic while FL would be like AL, AZ, GA, MS, etc due to laws.
Hmm, what a coincidence that "OleCapt" was from Nevada also.
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Old 01-05-2012, 09:38 PM
 
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FL has had a decrease due to the economy and the laws they passed. remember arguing about those illegal children being denied in-state tuition? NV says they are leaving and going back home. Thousands of Illegal Immigrants Leave Nevada
NV would be economic while FL would be like AL, AZ, GA, MS, etc due to laws.
Let me hear your view on all that slowly.

NV lost 20% due to the economy.

AL,AZ,GA,MS etc. did not lose anything due to the economy...just due to laws.

NV lost more than most.

You understand how silly that sounds?
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Old 01-06-2012, 08:59 AM
 
Location: California
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Let me hear your view on all that slowly.

NV lost 20% due to the economy.

AL,AZ,GA,MS etc. did not lose anything due to the economy...just due to laws.

NV lost more than most.

You understand how silly that sounds?
NV is a very heavy "service" industry state, the others are not. So what now sounds so "silly"? You seem to think you understand all the in's and out's of the illegal alien issues, yet become inept when confronted.
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Old 01-06-2012, 12:00 PM
 
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They should not but they do. And we lack the will and the means to stop it. So you want to beat the dead horse some more or do something?

"Skipping the immigration lines" is another myth. Those lines are exactly what we wish them to be. If we wish to give priority to those already physcially in the US we violate nothing. No legal immigrant has any valid fairness claim on how we run our immigration system. We can (and will) do whatever we please. Foreign nationals don't get a vote.
You keep repeating this assertion, Olecapt, about most Americans but most Americans are not in favor of amnesty as you are. The problem is that pandering pols, arrogant foreign nationals and greedy employers have all conspired to ignore the American will on this issue.

Your definition of doing something is amnesty for them, free college tuition for their kids and welfare access at every turn as they cannot afford to live here without it. Legal immigrants most certainly have the right to complain when those who skip the lines and acccepted procedures demand things from them. Native born Americans have every right to join them.
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Old 01-06-2012, 01:47 PM
 
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Are you implying that the Latino population has not ballooned since 1986? This Table shows pretty much how the increase has been since the '80's. The Demographic Foundations of the Latino Population - Hispanics and the Future of America - NCBI Bookshelf

Foreign born increased along with us born from foreign, while us born us born decreased.

So, can we therefor assume that the increase is due to the amnesties?
The majority of the Hispanic-Amerincans were born in the USA.

Births are far greater than immigration from 2000 to 2010...conveniently not present in your chart.

The Mexican-American Boom: Births Overtake Immigration | Pew Hispanic Center
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Old 01-06-2012, 01:50 PM
 
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NV is a very heavy "service" industry state, the others are not. So what now sounds so "silly"? You seem to think you understand all the in's and out's of the illegal alien issues, yet become inept when confronted.
NV, FL and AZ were all heavy service industry states and all had huge home construction industries.

All lost about the same percentage of illegal population. And the others all lost lesser percentages.

One would rationally presume economy was the big factor as it is the only common one.
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